From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 08 07:07:39 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NeVD8-0006IJ-Ug for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:07:39 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f215.google.com ([209.85.219.215]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NeVCf-0006ES-JU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:07:14 -0800 Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so183300ewy.10 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:07:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tToGybYbSsaHUv2MswpgeHps2srsrK57Lio7czX5rmg=; b=CWdGYSfLqTqtIFOCtmR9uEofcMba/kCuFN0Hj3LKk4JubgIpsqO3LQvCDckwWuTNgA lNpXvCN1Xv3do9cTyeCvSPvL9JaK5e6VF7gpV36lw4qySnE0qckW6TVIkVcjn4hN8RUw Ma8yVCBaOnTEgBm+qgnCFeW3S/ChRplJ1uNpQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=cT2HmGw34Ol7SmNswcc4WzeWLnK9FeNmX9p0+8EEK9d0ZsnhEsQf9b+oGsgg37ZPAk pqf0n2KL6lAXX8VNU9rHSTFsCrBH7fw2Wk5wzBlaA9aFO2PykJl3jJ+7go+pxNmZN8wI EhE/yb/fgNXjeFVHjAeJbamRX6GhRdZi5coSQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.109.70 with SMTP id i6mr1735635ebp.16.1265641623053; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:07:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f1080831002071541i7ad498c5je16f63083d637b0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002071208v7f7c3f11v956c0c669b146948@mail.gmail.com> <20100207202319.GA6434@sdf.lonestar.org> <1f1080831002071322q4618a850x93f36dcabf4a29e0@mail.gmail.com> <20100207215510.GA27254@sdf.lonestar.org> <1f1080831002071421r629a292agb165e25e81e226f3@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b951002071428t69ea814kef995f4b31446e0a@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002071513s1ef614b6qfcad7ae1d9150c64@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b951002071535o65510105td62248427126bf9@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002071541i7ad498c5je16f63083d637b0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:07:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1f1080831002080707l7e2ad6e7wd59b0eb93988fdb4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Introduction From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdf92e85aea68047f182789 X-archive-position: 2788 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cdf92e85aea68047f182789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, looking at this again I think see what you mean now. The school doesn't just "get ended" (such as, say, by the school day); it in a sense ends itself (rather, it ends something having to do with itself, namely the education process). That is, the real process that's going on is not passive (and being in the x2 place is about as close to passive as lojban gets by what I've seen), but active, which makes me think a sentence using se would be descriptive not of what is happening but of the result. Is that more or less what you were thinking? mu'omi'e latros. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Oh, yeah, definitely, I meant in regard to this context in particular. > > mu'omi'e latros. > > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:35 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> They are nuances that could be important in the proper context. >> >> stevo >> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >> >>> That's a good point, but then what does that imply? Put another way, I >>> see your premise, but I don't see your conclusion. >>> >>> mu'omi'e latros. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>> >>>> I think you're missing the fact that it's not happening by itself, the >>>> way schools close at the end of the day or end of the school year, but that >>>> it's being done as a result of human decision, and that's it's permanent. >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>> >> > --000e0cdf92e85aea68047f182789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, looking at this again I think see what you mean now. The school doesn&#= 39;t just "get ended" (such as, say, by the school day); it in a = sense ends itself (rather, it ends something having to do with itself, name= ly the education process). That is, the real process that's going on is= not passive (and being in the x2 place is about as close to passive as loj= ban gets by what I've seen), but active, which makes me think a sentenc= e using se would be descriptive not of what is happening but of the result.=

Is that more or less what you were thinking?

mu'omi'e la= tros.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Ian= Johnson <bl= indbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, yeah, definit= ely, I meant in regard to this context in particular.

mu'omi'= ;e latros.


On Sun, Feb= 7, 2010 at 6:35 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrot= e:
They are nua= nces that could be important in the proper context.
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stevo

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
That's a good= point, but then what does that imply? Put another way, I see your premise,= but I don't see your conclusion.

mu'omi'e latros.=20


On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:28 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you're missing the fact that it's not happening by its= elf, the way schools close at the end of the day or end of the school year,= but that it's being done as a result of human decision, and that's= it's permanent.
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stevo

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