From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 08 13:34:16 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NebFH-00055r-Ql for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:34:16 -0800 Received: from web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([68.180.199.121]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NebFC-00053K-Dr for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:34:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 63710 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2010 21:34:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1265664844; bh=cVuLGPq0gnKs7+W5Gn/f4ORBc6AUY78sm6ECAHzA7Xg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SwBw5oJshmZQx5QVOTbGAnJPRhkkRZsNeVXxnz/QE8S/WX9HLCPCD0WvCSveG+os2Kfc/MuWdcJwmB5zLGz5szKp2dS2kDKTMDL/72L/zNel86Wuoe1oHZF/dTq02ZgOEdLNJnJ75nN0vPLfatJsis8QpZlmg6+5qJcO7LuIK5I= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CKhlPDg8MkWI3kV9/C3SGR7kYx25nGTzUWRYufChCbey24Uw885NX1Lk9aRm1M0JOS1JheYq5k9n0olI/z4gn3KCm7MM/O7u9J8vCRR0VhmEOkQVwkIRiEmy5mqD29b0XWdlegNddUbshQN59WoI5LxbvUA9iUq4VdYbN+7Tizs=; Message-ID: <218950.62113.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UJbOd3YVM1nQS234zjU_rXQ1UKCA52bdSrb1t5sMtT_UH_W2nMyhoVoiC9cAw6hELOje0Odp1BaPS1EKWX1RRYWh0VT47u.MQrMnxj7LJNXvqDUSCX0IC8NinDzkxluz9Gq_AIdvW3k4DslfMOZiIGUfV1YH8c3QE9iyuXOJpMCIXnmXrUtJIhB1gj2B9O5CE2_6U763wlIsd1FkEo._VaU9xAF67AmMwpXKzzrC5btM9KVrbrZ2SL8cWUgCq5KbpB8- Received: from [216.19.18.223] by web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:34:04 PST Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:34:04 -0800 (PST) From: Whipsnerd Lhooser Subject: [lojban-beginners] Help! The Xorlo are attacking! To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1047882720-1265664844=:62113" X-archive-position: 2790 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: synaptic.explosion@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1047882720-1265664844=:62113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Alright. I am new to Lojban, but extremely interested in learning it. I am confused about several issues concerning xorlo (or gadri [i'm not sure which]). Could someone please define the following (and give an example of its usage if appropriate): xorlo: gadri: lei: lai: In addition to this I will now post my understood definition/gloss of la, le, lo, and loi. I ask that someone please tell me if these are correct or fix them if they are not. la: Used only for cmene; Is the article which immediately proceeds a cmene and designates it as specific. (i.e. la bil. equates to a specific thing/person whose name is Bill.) le: Used to denote a specific thing/instance in the mind of the speaker. For example: le gerku refers to a specific dog which I have in mind. This could be my dog, the dog down the street, or the dog which bit me four years ago which I am currently thinking about. lo: Utilized to introduce a non-specific thing/instance. lo gerku refers to some dog in general loi: Shows that a number of nonspecific things act/exist as a group. loi ci gerku, for instance, are three dogs of an unimportant description/origin/etc. which function as a group. Thank you for your time and assistance, koltr. mykarti, (Is this the correctly lojbanized form of my name, Colter McCarty?) --0-1047882720-1265664844=:62113 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Alright. I am new to Lojban, but extremely interested in learning it. I am confused about several issues concerning xorlo (or gadri [i'm not sure which]).

Could someone please define the following (and give an example of its usage if appropriate):
xorlo:
gadri:
lei:
lai:

In addition to this I will now post my understood definition/gloss of la, le, lo, and loi. I ask that someone please tell me if these are correct or fix them if they are not.

la: Used only for cmene; Is the article which immediately proceeds a cmene and designates it as specific. (i.e. la bil. equates to a specific thing/person whose name is Bill.)

le: Used to denote a specific thing/instance in the mind of the speaker. For example: le gerku refers to a specific dog which I have in mind. This could be my dog, the dog down the street, or the dog which bit me four years ago which I am currently thinking about.

lo: Utilized to introduce a non-specific thing/instance. lo gerku refers to some dog in general

loi: Shows that a number of nonspecific things act/exist as a group. loi ci gerku, for instance, are three dogs of an unimportant description/origin/etc. which function as a group.

Thank you for your time and assistance,
koltr. mykarti, (Is this the correctly lojbanized form of my name, Colter McCarty?)

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