From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 09 08:21:21 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nesq0-0001CN-QM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:21:21 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nespr-00018q-TT for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:21:17 -0800 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so144051ewy.4 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:21:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KrQwwrDJm3zg936p8OKizyiynntDbwnH1jB1JyeSGkQ=; b=q73kh1qNCANmeencDON/A+PyKGv1a0qE2sf+r1QZELac4Uqqy200nj6qp3XKifi9dI 6QLlV1mAzZAOcpJmOQLCcld+EjvuXbnYH6/K/rLwnWoRHrpSRvV82hCyJYccdmsgVqZL /oX8AgbtC8tu/Peeq0+4ER/dEYMm/oH03KlzI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Tu4zJ3Q7GiU5LkOwAjzWyYkXMZxCeSqO8f8UJPb15BiBcBA9h+GCn+PDJxVGKdBZLR RnlOelcDPCd1Ctu3F7A3JNCCCxy0vPj3gNYHVKlsHzZpuAU5Lqpd/W4XSKrBBXyWeZjS t5Rm8LIlGERCM0ya9vKoI4PkWAFk6psMrPWes= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.73 with SMTP id b51mr2368389wef.125.1265732463955; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:21:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201002090214.40868.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <218950.62113.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <425e4ac21002081956jb0e0de5n98a1a5446c4f7609@mail.gmail.com> <201002090214.40868.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:21:03 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1002090821m1703c5a8l569467a229bb024@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking! From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64486e51042047f2d4d73 X-archive-position: 2803 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e6d64486e51042047f2d4d73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One thing I want to mention: {la} is not only for cmene. It is the gadri used for all cmevla. {la mlatu}, for instance, is a cmevla, whereas {la.aionys.} is a cmene. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 08 February 2010 22:56:52 Stela Selckiku wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser > > > xorlo: > > > > This, in spite of its appearance, is not a gismu. It is a strange > > English portmanteau of "xorxes" and "lo". I will use it in a > > sentence: "It is way waaaaaay easier to use Lojban since xorlo." > > lo zu'o do pilno lo gadri cu xorlo > > "lo" is used to refer to a species as if it were one individual, though > "lo'e" > could also be so used: > lo rikteropu cu friko .i lo .ornitorinku cu sralo > The aardvark is African; the platypus is Australian. > Aardvarks are African; platypodes are Australian. > > One usage I came up with, which isn't xorlo, is "lo'e se" followed by the > name > of a plant or animal. lo'e se guzme is Cucurbitaceae; lo se guzme could be > Cucurbitaceae, Sicyos, Cucumis, or any of various other taxa. "lo'e se > latna" > doesn't refer to anything, since lotuses are in at least two unrelated > taxa. > > > > lai: > > > > I have almost never seen this article seriously used. A mass of those > > named? So, like, the Smith family all carry a piano together, "lai > > .smit. cu bevri lo pipno"?? It doesn't seem to come up! > > I use it for plural geographic names, such as "lai .andes .e lai .alp". > > There are also "lo'e" and "le'e", which mean "the typical" and "the typical > one of the ones I have in mind", and "lo'i", "le'i", and "la'i", which > mean "the/a set of (/the ones in mind/the ones named)". Those don't get > used > much. (There is a word "la'e", but it isn't an article. It means "the > referent of", and its most frequent use is in "la'edi'u".) > > Pierre > -- > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci > > > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d64486e51042047f2d4d73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One thing I want to mention: {la} is not only for cmene. It is the gadri us= ed for all cmevla. {la mlatu}, for instance, is a cmevla, whereas {la.aiony= s.} is a cmene.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.n= u> wrote:
On Monday 08 February 2010 22:56:52 Stela Selckiku wrote:=
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser
> > xorlo:
>
> This, in spite of its ap= pearance, is not a gismu. =A0It is a strange
> English portmanteau of= "xorxes" and "lo". =A0I will use it in a
> sente= nce: "It is way waaaaaay easier to use Lojban since xorlo."

lo zu'o do pilno lo gadri cu xorlo

"lo" is u= sed to refer to a species as if it were one individual, though "lo'= ;e"
could also be so used:
lo rikteropu cu friko .i lo .ornitori= nku cu sralo
The aardvark is African; the platypus is Australian.
Aardvarks are Afric= an; platypodes are Australian.

One usage I came up with, which isn&#= 39;t xorlo, is "lo'e se" followed by the name
of a plant o= r animal. lo'e se guzme is Cucurbitaceae; lo se guzme could be
Cucurbitaceae, Sicyos, Cucumis, or any of various other taxa. "lo'= e se latna"
doesn't refer to anything, since lotuses are in at = least two unrelated taxa.

> > lai:
>
> I have almost never se= en this article seriously used. =A0A mass of those
> named? =A0So, li= ke, the Smith family all carry a piano together, "lai
> .smit. c= u bevri lo pipno"?? =A0It doesn't seem to come up!

I use it for plural geographic names, such as "lai .andes .e= lai .alp".

There are also "lo'e" and "le= 9;e", which mean "the typical" and "the typical
one of the ones I have in mind", and "lo'i", "le= 9;i", and "la'i", which
mean "the/a set of (/the= ones in mind/the ones named)". Those don't get used
much. (The= re is a word "la'e", but it isn't an article. It means &q= uot;the
referent of", and its most frequent use is in "la'edi'u&q= uot;.)

Pierre
--
li ze te'a ci vu&= #39;u ci bi'e te'a mu du
li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e = vu'u ci






--
mu&#= 39;o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa= bu

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