From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Feb 10 12:17:05 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfIzf-0006pw-KD for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:17:04 -0800 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfIzR-0006jz-Ba for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:16:54 -0800 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o1AKGku4026907 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:16:46 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id o1AKGjr4013964 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:16:45 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:16:45 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: se du'u? Message-ID: <20100210201640.GA22591@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: <1f1080831002101203r45ca1281o4e3a59a4443264a5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1f1080831002101203r45ca1281o4e3a59a4443264a5@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-archive-position: 2806 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 10 pi'e 02 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Ian Johnson .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > I'm wondering about what you can use se du'u with. Here's a simple example: > do cusku le se du'u coi latros. .ui > Can I do that? Or do I need something else, like quote tags? .skamyxatra That needs to be "{do cusku lu coi latros. .ui li'u}." "{du'u}," like other abstractions, takes a full {bridi}, which "{coi latros. .ui}" is not. "{lo se du'u [bridi]}" refers to the words that would express the {bridi}, while just "{lo du'u [bridi]}" would be the abstract statement expressed by the {bridi}. An example of the proper use of "{se du'u}" would be "{do cusku lo se du'u do cnino}" -- "You say that you are new" -- which is practically equivalent to "{do cusku lu mi cnino li'u}" -- "You say, 'I am new.'" mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- lonu ca rere'u finti le xislu cu ba sidju do lonu baza finti le vi'e xislu