From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Feb 10 12:26:24 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfJ8g-0007pS-Nu for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:26:23 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfJ8P-0007js-Hc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:26:10 -0800 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so239288ewy.4 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:25:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SFtglPjpKEewOWud40vmJMvOBexdWaVKaH+gpOr0Gd4=; b=JT/cEEdq+f3YzO7ZEK2IfV9yQqEC3zOsU/ThPj0kFEzoR56r8zUDZMxvQVXhXUaucl oBuFd88AoWVAxgrXqSsRTwUY9UHRmskVGaw4hEDp17DnVm49GyM8xHaEWY7NGeRrRsPB NI6eCw5wVU0bmM3CrTvZPfjW9fjAQPa+1qYgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aQfGDx7JlzPeTm+Ug7HBvRiUmkmeZe5585eAyJKkNXnt+Cc68E+7aEI8PNv0NQ+xdM PAFxJTwWk5VLnK7F2rfDVythJbwmKTbxWbRvZZ2vcJFS/mt5QNL5VhwCW1kzOt5kVwTp +9rdEGZUxbOt7xC+KDg/z2F04vpwdrk0BEScM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.113.77 with SMTP id z13mr247587ebp.65.1265833558496; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:25:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100210201640.GA22591@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <1f1080831002101203r45ca1281o4e3a59a4443264a5@mail.gmail.com> <20100210201640.GA22591@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:25:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1f1080831002101225x92b7256taab3c3f2eb42125f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: se du'u? From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000feaf267279b7671047f44d759 X-archive-position: 2807 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000feaf267279b7671047f44d759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That was what I thought; when I saw that du'u referred to what is logically a proposition, and saw that a greeting is most definitely not a proposition, I thought it was a problem, but wasn't sure. Thank you; that makes sense. mu'omi'e latros. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 10 pi'e 02 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Ian Johnson .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. > > I'm wondering about what you can use se du'u with. Here's a simple > example: > > do cusku le se du'u coi latros. .ui > > Can I do that? Or do I need something else, like quote tags? > .skamyxatra > > That needs to be "{do cusku lu coi latros. .ui li'u}." "{du'u}," like > other > abstractions, takes a full {bridi}, which "{coi latros. .ui}" is not. "{lo > se > du'u [bridi]}" refers to the words that would express the {bridi}, while > just > "{lo du'u [bridi]}" would be the abstract statement expressed by the > {bridi}. > An example of the proper use of "{se du'u}" would be "{do cusku lo se du'u > do > cnino}" -- "You say that you are new" -- which is practically equivalent to > "{do cusku lu mi cnino li'u}" -- "You say, 'I am new.'" > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- > lonu ca rere'u finti le xislu cu ba sidju do lonu baza finti le vi'e xislu > > > > --000feaf267279b7671047f44d759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was what I thought; when I saw that du'u referred to what is logic= ally a proposition, and saw that a greeting is most definitely not a propos= ition, I thought it was a problem, but wasn't sure. Thank you; that mak= es sense.

mu'omi'e latros.

On Wed, Feb = 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2= 04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> de'i li 10 pi'e 02 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Ian Johnson .fy. cusk= u zoi skamyxatra.
> I'm wondering about what you can use se du'u= with. Here's a simple example:
> do cusku le se du'u coi latros. .ui
> Can I do that? Or do I need something else, like quote tags?
.skamyxatra

That needs to be "{do cusku lu coi latros. .ui li'u}." =A0&qu= ot;{du'u}," like other
abstractions, takes a full {bridi}, which "{coi latros. .ui}" is = not. =A0"{lo se
du'u [bridi]}" refers to the words that would express the {bridi},= while just
"{lo du'u [bridi]}" would be the abstract statement expressed= by the {bridi}.
An example of the proper use of "{se du'u}" would be "{d= o cusku lo se du'u do
cnino}" -- "You say that you are new" -- which is practicall= y equivalent to
"{do cusku lu mi cnino li'u}" -- "You say, 'I am new= .'"

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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lonu ca rere'u finti le xislu cu ba sidju do lonu baza finti le vi'= e xislu




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