From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Feb 10 18:09:07 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfOUM-0003qS-Dt for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:09:06 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com ([209.85.220.216]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfOUD-0003ko-NN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:09:01 -0800 Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so716175fxm.26 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:08:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Mlfe2AAxoXbtdh5HoqKlsZvszoFryq5W4nQF6iZtVuA=; b=mEJI943fW2OGJ3/KLwpf8i6hkDriozU6RLoNoeWWv1Hm3uu9NmHSgV1liRRMaV+Em3 qAbWYbKQoz1sJ9n/pPaN1UHaGpqWkJBk9C7RtBNR9ISiFNlOjlNaSfeAT9885rGSih4w woBqYmaBONQbJGNOvN19F0bDFm84QOiLj/jfQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=a8UgUXPA+z7wChtqeCPp+2aE5s2DFwC69XPYS27VzlzZUwAYaEVtADGue+ZTNFNh9q Ch2SnyB2rvlZTcoisLvMORfEjPWxrj/SO0ae0PSuad6aFr7r4f7caxwkkayq+JezJCA8 NOFlQ/n8KqJUZWmHu3fMtOehmShU96z4QH8qU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.13.129 with SMTP id c1mr1266333faa.103.1265854131266; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:08:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f1080831002101659j71c65da9s78dadc0514e9f3ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002101527h41ecc51dr31eb898ec73e744@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002101635w148496f3ie2485233236ec702@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002101659j71c65da9s78dadc0514e9f3ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:08:51 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f86e09edebc32e9e Message-ID: <4de8c3931002101808m7fc46902ke05080bec136aaae@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Starting stories From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 2818 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 11 February 2010 00:59, Ian Johnson wrote: > I'm not quite sure how {ni'o ni'o ni'o} works here; I checked the CLL and it > seems to more or less indicate "going off on a completely different topic > altogether"...the mechanisms are actually pretty specific, but the core > "meaning" seems somewhat vague. I can see how it might, but I'm not quite > clear on how it fits. > > I do like {puzuku} for some of these usages, though. It also has the > assonance, which is kinda nice for a children's story (which is what I'm > writing for simplicity's sake). > > I suppose one could use both. For example (and this is what I was doing > earlier when this came up) you could start the whole text by introducing > some relevant characters and a little bit of information about them, > beginning with {ni'o ni'o ni'o} and then essentially say "one day, such and > such happened" with "one day" being translated as {puzuku}. Closer to "one day" would be {ca ku}, {ca da}, or {ca zo'e} ({ca} means simultaneity in relation to something, which isn't necessarily happening at the moment of the utterance). Also {de'i ku} would be a good option in some context, especially if you want to imply that the date is specifiable.