From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Feb 11 07:43:56 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfbCu-0006B3-5V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:43:56 -0800 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.150]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfbCa-00063w-Cl for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:43:43 -0800 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so210823qwa.58 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:43:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rvstTZZd/YgzdudL0TICJQ37pdmu7xZvX2upzF35Pgw=; b=O/Ip8fnrIiO1mQsLHhcBqKOE9vOxOBdwAyceenfjD0pmoyakx5PqOd/ag+rBcAPDhj JHLz7ZKkvxp5e+eVBjre9Cdd4r5td6CgLSThf4Sj90bMnecdQIIqrDx2OrPHe1yEmFGX sC0UFGA4ISNEhpDCXjGXtwvmYCl7x7HWdqRCM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JBq7P0FVqhDxoSuvj5buEvS3W0OK1dMNl23h7gGH1sPQCZQxZNfGALDt/+OCSrxkEf vmnkwgwDEFjWwi6K/Ij9sOiKNX9EiYDeR9K2+g+edSeM/p4Zehp0W4jtJ6r41lMUwXzS 6U+TLGgvdwZElIvgrrXj5AWV2qZchYX/AsRrA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.250.11 with SMTP id x11mr17769wfh.134.1265903014383; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:43:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301002110651x1ede3630ka0dd2bd094f4ee38@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002101527h41ecc51dr31eb898ec73e744@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002101635w148496f3ie2485233236ec702@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002101659j71c65da9s78dadc0514e9f3ae@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002101808m7fc46902ke05080bec136aaae@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f71002110559h52533937kce275bf1b92972b8@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002110606q61542baaw7e0da6c638d5a461@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f71002110637v1f21d974sd9dcaf7def45a095@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002110651x1ede3630ka0dd2bd094f4ee38@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:43:34 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61002110743ge57a9e2ke4c90726124acee0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Starting stories From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2823 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Oh wow.  I didn't realize that.  How would you even use {ki} with a modal? >  Would it be like {mi klama le zdani va'oki mi famgau lo gunka} or would it > be {... va'o mi famgau lo gunka ki}.  And would all other bridi following > this one have the automatic sumti added to them of {... va'o mi famgau lo > gunka}? > My brain is all melty now. > Just like tenses, it goes right after the modal, so your fist example would be correct, except that the "mi famgau lo gunka" has to be preceded by " lo nu". All tags are followed only by a single sumti. You need an abstractor if you want to put in a bridi. And that's correct, until you cancel it with a kiku, that va'o phrase would be attached to everything. (So that's "mi klama le zdani va'oki lo nu mi famgau lo gunka" (although that means under the conditions of you finishing off the worker, which is probably NOT what you meant. "se gunka" is, I expect, what you wanted, unless you are building a robot. See for example, the first (humongous) sentence of my translation of the book of Esther -- ca _KI_ lo cedra be tu'a la .axacyveROC. po'u la .axacyveROC. poi turni la xinselje'a kubi'i la kuc. vu'o noi selje'a parezemei ku'o ku'o ca lo nu .abu goi la .axacyveROC. po'u le nolraitru cu zutse le .abu nolstizu be tu'i la cucan. no'u le raltca kei ca lo cimoi be lo'i nanca pe lo nu .abu turni keiku .abu cu zbasu pa balsai seva'u ro nobli kujoi ro selfu ca'u ge lo jenmi be la pars joi la gugrmedia gi lu'o lo nobli .e lo jansu lu'u pe lo selje'a .icabo .abu jarco loi kargu pe lo selsi'a selnolraitru .e loi selmanci pe lo kamba'i ca'o so'i djedi po'u lo pabinomei The entire story takes place in the time of Ahasuerus. I never unstickified it. --gejyspa