From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Feb 11 09:11:00 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfcZ9-000863-UG for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:11:00 -0800 Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.221.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfcYy-00081c-Jj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:10:52 -0800 Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so209588qyk.20 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:10:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7ePc60jQ01edUIfURRWo3merRbHk2ZRqKSV+epVt6ts=; b=gYEabPozT2LLJ/Tdb+EVBkpI8pfRUBl7rR8I2DilStU6noG414iWBNZWFrXyCMUIsN XqTjsB/VvBuRPVwV8x1OKgZvVhdCKsotV8OKwpR17UuvnL8polnTNZ8cgL8POelF8Fpv a+Og45OlxPkmwxcePuOqHoGOA07YXlATuqryI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Bw58BrqibYQPL0YrrvF7ZIdILwvTybbt6+wYQu0clZYXy+LREx6lFfAfs8iEzGIp8p dxfCOAuzXAHs8kUzUt2atf8RVjxyG6wFQxXEgCy6BNqYxFxDhWJbfp78XdcIFu/7QGYT q/hhlc0LNcvvKJXJFkrHXmbO1POvbrPyLVcp0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.201.14 with SMTP id y14mr98196wff.95.1265908240752; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:10:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3931002110842x6673445w8ecb44a0e0b7864@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002101527h41ecc51dr31eb898ec73e744@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002101635w148496f3ie2485233236ec702@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002101659j71c65da9s78dadc0514e9f3ae@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002101808m7fc46902ke05080bec136aaae@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f71002110559h52533937kce275bf1b92972b8@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002110606q61542baaw7e0da6c638d5a461@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f71002110637v1f21d974sd9dcaf7def45a095@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002110651x1ede3630ka0dd2bd094f4ee38@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002110842x6673445w8ecb44a0e0b7864@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:10:40 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61002110910r6bb83415u25e33991384844aa@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Starting stories From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 2826 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:42 AM, tijlan wrote: > It seems the subscript method can be used with {ki}. That means we can > have different modal settings loaded into different {ki} subscripted > with {xi} and then recall each one of them accordingly whenever we > need them. But I'm not sure how to unstick/cancel them separately. > Let's say I have had {de'i li 1776 pi'e 7 pi'e 4 bu'u la steito di'o > la uacintyn kixipa} and {de'i li 1870 pi'e 9 pi'e 4 bu'u la frans di'o > la paris kixire} in my lojbanic text. I can recall either of these > settings with just {kixipa} or {kixire} (so says CLL). But how do I > unstick only one of them? If I use a bare {ki}, that would cancel both > settings I guess the real question is "why would you need to unstick them?" It seems that, unlike "ki" itself, there is no automatic appending of tenses with kixi__ unless you actually use them. Therefore, you can ignore their existence, until you bring them up. If you want to set them to a different value, just use "kixiPA " again. --gy