From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Feb 13 11:45:46 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NgNw1-00021F-Sw for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:45:46 -0800 Received: from n6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.234]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NgNvn-0001ut-SM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:45:35 -0800 Received: from [76.13.13.26] by n6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 19:45:25 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.28] by t3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 19:45:25 -0000 Received: from [216.252.111.166] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 19:45:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp101.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 19:44:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 713661.86001.bm@omp101.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 24438 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2010 19:44:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1266090267; bh=RLv8m9ZHTVAsKL8mUx8zMyy71gFLm7Lzu6UMt6sbon8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VOpQwTT9PRD664b2JUR9Z6qi42twu5N//rq/77/Bp6PVWShzvqc38fbcjupGKt+x1GL1Ig+QmhnXkNFVayiCzA5ypUqVj2OQWNgOdQY8qLGDNKsz8KflhCoSBPUlRUMwX1KINc5s3VbCQFjwgzdAxg8ENwr820LIT4BE1Sd1uAc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Mh+b7y3++UXAYIsZJfjlbND+MhgD6apzaDmFzuCT7+msZ+AJe7wQ2X0GxHHWBhFgXgz4JzeC9oJHJTMVWeFapYDxiRtgs+qZ+whrfLNbYOrMmJZ49PXjrRzi7zxyrqhLbZ37lNZzoSQQ8K99GygUziuCJLIMAIh/I63lwi+OxHc=; Message-ID: <603837.24036.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: iahM6HcVM1n6ECWl5TBPoKQtCI6j87A4QwppA6dTXZKtSmgWXiykUvwi4293CvM8oxhzb.hO6EsFHvXdIhQaJR1iDvbtvUuWds9yY38O1HZUZFnE11JKgLopE.a5eEm7LpbgVrwrWPnUsWiJW8Mch7ZHhUsKL6MH71q0OawtyR9j6iCWRr7yXgJUPoWAcP_lzMrmDkHz4dukLZ3QCkkzMrTQFSfTlIpdYsVZO9LTfo7oyuw7fRlTycqVOAYQeKPrITczAWAHMUX0Fk_4lss4Mt8A0PYN73qx0CA6pvsyAZ4eNy7PZlftZQVDQ1Q0S6bTHLLfrt9rZUos5X0tJSLe Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:44:27 PST References: <218950.62113.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <425e4ac21002081956jb0e0de5n98a1a5446c4f7609@mail.gmail.com> <201002090214.40868.phma@phma.optus.nu> <702226df1002090821m1703c5a8l569467a229bb024@mail.gmail.com> <4B768767.1030503@perpetuum-immobile.de> <239148.11993.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17561002130719v15abf785sb4b1ca7e30e6fdaf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:44:27 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking! To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17561002130719v15abf785sb4b1ca7e30e6fdaf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2835 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jorge Llambías > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 10:19:50 AM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking! > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <> ymailto="mailto:totus@rogers.com" > href="mailto:totus@rogers.com">totus@rogers.com> wrote: > > > No wonder everyone is confused!  Exactly where are cmene and cmevla > > definitively defined? At some point, after CLL and LfB were > written, we decided that using "cmene" in English with this specialized > meaning was a bad idea, because "cmene" doesn't mean and never meant that in > Lojban. So at that point English borrowed a new word from Lojban, "cmevla", > to refer to those Lojban words that end in a consonant. "cmene" is now used > in English to mean "(any) Lojban name", which is still more > restricted than its meaning in Lojban. I understand what you are saying.  But when you say "we", do you mean the BPFK (i.e. is it 'official')?  And where is this decision 'enshrined'?  Shouldn't it be on some BPFK page on the wiki?  After all, when there is an apparent discrepency between CLL and jbovlaste, most people who don't know the history will likely choose CLL as the final authority. totus