From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Feb 25 11:34:35 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NkjTn-0006wk-4w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:34:35 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NkjTj-0006vy-Hc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:34:34 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so4989476bwz.26 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:34:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=neVsBr3C1uhseWY/CIFyZ/Gatq582fc3HD2GD+1C2Dc=; b=nDfurOWKRMUiaJv3Ekc0e14y9whPfucXX602A7jj6nfreT/wcHE6/voT2QJOuNsvz2 9MD9HlSWeIlGapgYdz6kzDx4F9xcuQr4uiQskrXQq/0TFyLr7demxpeNqzHRE4tzFK22 cC1Lgq39ZYhCnZG0gFF638u+4eIyvP5dz6cPY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lNhZitfVli6/OUWUuGHCKg+uGuruJ6P9daYbYNuU1tX0cP5FH3r4K/RgC4TVR96Iq5 yYtFa++zaOlqyQ9cxx9jWO/Vz50rAfSvokgP/GC3prqkbrZAoKqDUjC+avXTugkDPMOP IBSy6kQd4gxUgMtQZEIMHeHJ/h5DsVC0QIffk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.91 with SMTP id 27mr120769bku.14.1267126464551; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:34:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3931002251107q28efbe99u91d9a89f3a893c09@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002242001p106c6ba1k4925ec3b8ededbce@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002242152o28dd4f62t4943b62388d3411f@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931002251107q28efbe99u91d9a89f3a893c09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:34:24 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561002251134h7021d17cof94e9cf155267ad1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Class--and non-gismu vocab in general From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2904 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:07 PM, tijlan wrote: > On 25 February 2010 05:52, Luke Bergen wrote: >> 1) You could try a lujvo like {nuncu'e} or {nunselctu}, or something similar >> for class.  Then it would be {mi klama lo nunselctu .i co'o} > > I personally wouldn't object to having a NU-ed sumti as {klama}'s > proper x2, because I think that any place is essentially an > abstraction (and also that being aware of this would open up some > cognitive & philosophical possibilities). I don't have a problem with going to an event either. > But some jbopre might still > prefer adding {tu'a}: {mi klama tu'a lo nunselctu}. I'm not sure about this use of "tu'a" though. Normally "tu'a ko'a" means "lo nu ko'a co'e". "tu'a" takes a sumti and returns an event in which that sumti is a participant. Here what you want is the place where an event takes place. This is going in the opposite direction, since the place could be an argument of the event. The normal way to do it would be "lo jai bu'u nunselctu", "the place of being taught". I also think "nunctu" is just as good or better than "nunselctu" for "class": nunctu: x1 is a class given by x2 to x3 teaching x4 about x5 by method x6. nunselctu: x1 is a class given to x2 by x3 teaching x4 about x5 by method x6. "mi klama lo nunctu", "I go to the teaching" could be said by the teacher or by a student. mu'o mi'e xorxes