From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Feb 25 14:28:03 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NkmBe-0005OK-2S for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:28:03 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NkmBY-0005NL-0R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:28:01 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so5150798bwz.26 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:27:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K86srDd5YeDuSGIpSnxSUSU7v/ALMZSog5o/vTuPiIg=; b=PhkTRfY5BMCYx8s7Xm5+FD//ZVFhW26eJGkabhMn4Zw62YGMTs/6FlsWzdV82iMsca EWVslDcukeYnAM1i1j4KG9qZVm0jmS1P5+KrZMBuy33NmdrJUFwtH/05UPBYYtMggE71 CJQ8QZO+seRKnakynZAh3ki0HKioGMMcyl0W8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UlugjwfJxEC9Dgp+fUiIBLgAPx4ssk0idTcM+DJd4psq3MSKobRwfu0XRLwMsVVsEy miWgMTZnUs4d3QAwY9RWH7Z2HxUdZGMcvQ1wtGHVN70FZRqaMAjregzsw8drmxuC9nsj lv0NAS3cxltcd6cMxWi+kroXF7BonkmQ6ED5Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.132.207 with SMTP id c15mr179801bkt.102.1267136869431; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:27:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100225215933.GA14097@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <1f1080831002250758rb17bd2dk664e035452c298e4@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002250954p6d57ef87w3cde7fd92a9fe7d9@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002251318p78bab1dbha716f66a082c0daf@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002251328o11d2223r12bf275e35e71955@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002251336o12bddef4re5cec4b5ac32893f@mail.gmail.com> <20100225215933.GA14097@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:27:49 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561002251427h15040eb6p7256255a4d770b3c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses in abstractions From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2911 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > > Really?  I thought "{zi ma}" meant "a short time from what?" by analogy to "{vi > ma}." There are two different views on that. I prefer to use ZI/VA to tag the magnitude of displacement from the origin (they are after all magnitude of displacement tags.) The other view is to use them to tag the origin, like PU/FAhA. But then you have no easy way of tagging the magnitude of displacement. mu'o mi'e xorxes