From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Feb 25 18:44:41 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NkqC1-0007fH-6U for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:44:41 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NkqBx-0007eV-1V for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:44:40 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so5285066bwz.26 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:44:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8DG4WQN7L9jXBOKLHL5MJ4ahXTflUkicNtIE1c7rxVA=; b=WBnvoJ0Zj8KVpxHqynaCscPpZCs6cxBMD9lX22Q+8SuSHDiHwA6sQ7CUiXWyY5A28H l1ktPFUzPbSTk/MNJBmxPjXWAFUJU9UIJnAgqx8i9F3hL7QJfeupXW3oaA/KRn9CW1J0 iWuMJBE1kBIp5KDvYc0r88WjPLIbBP0r9ImFA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FCBzES3SgkMcUoRiVTLnmnTCX+CpkhxldyhetdJ4d+Xe2XsU3WNi6RYwdNE5qWPZKP cRp6oXiPL32g2XGUtSn68ClL+3S5yuXj1h8ui3BTsBsUIZcqxZmAiahPS7BqWag07A+m 86R9JTFWmIFstQhOS/yRTGveG/lhZ/HOEy4q0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.131.82 with SMTP id w18mr495264bks.29.1267152270136; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:44:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1a3d02c41002251830u1165ddd1ve7992c512894603@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002250758rb17bd2dk664e035452c298e4@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002250954p6d57ef87w3cde7fd92a9fe7d9@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002251318p78bab1dbha716f66a082c0daf@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002251328o11d2223r12bf275e35e71955@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002251336o12bddef4re5cec4b5ac32893f@mail.gmail.com> <20100225215933.GA14097@sdf.lonestar.org> <925d17561002251427h15040eb6p7256255a4d770b3c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3d02c41002251734h18fc88e0ue9d3aec6734b0538@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002251804t3bfb7247u95f265f213a09215@mail.gmail.com> <1a3d02c41002251830u1165ddd1ve7992c512894603@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:44:30 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561002251844g4bdc9f18kdfc75121dcff527d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses in abstractions From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2918 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Sam Chapin wrote: > > Ah, I see. Under your scheme {va co'e} conveys the same meaning by a > different mechanism - "something happens a moderate (but otherwise > unspecified) distance from the speaker", rather than "something > happens a moderate distance away from (unspecified, but by default) > the speaker". Yes, "va co'e" in both cases says that something happens a moderate (but otherwise unspecified) distance away from the origin (probably the speaker). The difference is in which part of the unspecification would be provided by the tagged sumti. The other part, if needed, has to be provided by other means. mu'o mi'e xorxes