From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Feb 28 13:11:43 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlqQO-0007Bg-Et for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:11:41 -0800 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NlqPl-00072h-Vk for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:11:16 -0800 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so86418vws.40 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:10:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=x3GjDdEJpmSk54go7ulsKygbhUUHRgLMde7PWjB+bgI=; b=XEh13pAMmG+C1jN9KD9asTLUTGSomJmKpnsyq+UPerU6stfHmW9AACrU+1NnQUDabA jCoOiiuHyBoraKrO5xrBFzkHTTrTyh1kqrxuPmgmwT+geiHvHhA+x/ml0oDvd73C7u30 s6prOM6jX1SxULGwvuOH41CtvuOpVNLgHtW/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=HAkIhRuzdvmANqcS46S3rLqDBcB70wLktegdUc0e4R2Wv85J9fDhoka1lKRlZq0Ag4 i2aU/+oY3uatI2A8P7KPcuacM5rbvyVkJE6PRYO1TYul+vVzmbw8AzA7DysEESfoggDX 2IdhtC/oC1mQE/P1PzEp789gbFENyG4eot7DQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.125.10 with SMTP id w10mr2556513vcr.42.1267391455174; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:10:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17561002280646wfc33adfn78976bf33d28c269@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1080831002250758rb17bd2dk664e035452c298e4@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002251427h15040eb6p7256255a4d770b3c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3d02c41002251734h18fc88e0ue9d3aec6734b0538@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002251804t3bfb7247u95f265f213a09215@mail.gmail.com> <1a3d02c41002251830u1165ddd1ve7992c512894603@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002251844g4bdc9f18kdfc75121dcff527d@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002271924s287eaaa1xa42d34d3997bd82e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002272030k3ae82265l279601d87d4a767c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002272159l2c8755cewd373446c78a71ebc@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561002280646wfc33adfn78976bf33d28c269@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:10:54 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301002281310q5bc8fa63rdb00ddf6530247e1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses in abstractions From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d343237a2f500480af91ea X-archive-position: 2927 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001636d343237a2f500480af91ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the responses. I think I get it now. I guess I'd better ge= t to learning FAhA then :) 2010/2/28 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > I'm still confused by what "I eat > > the apple an event of me sleeping ago" means. It doesn't read like any > > english I've ever seen. > > My wording was in Jboglish rather than in idiomatic English. I should > have written "ate" rather than "eat", since "ago" goes with a past > tense. It means that my eating the apple is an event of sleeping away > from the origin (which is presumably the time of the utterance). Time > distances are usually given in seconds/minutes/hours/days/etc rather > than in "events of sleeping". > > > How do the event of my eating the apple and the > > event of me sleeping relate in time and space according to how I used > {za} > > (from your perspective). > > The sumti after "za" gives the magnitude of the time displacement. > > > Sorry for harping on this, I just want to really understand it. > > Is all of this described in the tag proposal or is this different way o= f > > using VI/ZA part of some other proposal? Or is it just how people have > been > > using it? > > It's independent of the internal grammar of tags. See: > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Distance > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > --001636d343237a2f500480af91ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the responses. =A0I think I get it now. =A0I guess I'd b= etter get to learning FAhA then :)

2010/2= /28 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2= :59 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeaberge= n@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0I'm still confused by what "I eat
> the apple an event of me sleeping ago" means. =A0It doesn't r= ead like any
> english I've ever seen.

My wording was in Jboglish rather than in idiomatic English. I should=
have written "ate" rather than "eat", since "ago&q= uot; goes with a past
tense. It means that my eating the apple is an event of sleeping away
from the origin (which is presumably the time of the utterance). Time
distances are usually given in seconds/minutes/hours/days/etc rather
than in "events of sleeping".

>=A0How do the event of my eating the apple and the
> event of me sleeping relate in time and space according to how I used = {za}
> (from your perspective).

The sumti after "za" gives the magnitude of the time displa= cement.

> Sorry for harping on this, I just want to really understand it.
> Is all of this described in the tag proposal or is this different way = of
> using VI/ZA part of some other proposal? =A0Or is it just how people h= ave been
> using it?

It's independent of the internal grammar of tags. See:

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Distance

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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