From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 10 15:46:16 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NpVbU-0002O5-2y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NpVbP-0002N0-Cb for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:15 -0800 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1267518fxm.26 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RwvXQeEPvPhQGZ0jTJYWXrRaVJoUKepFqvJ+IkBiWAQ=; b=DLbVg/uVin0yU7cqz2rDEFF2s8k55Gu/TCdQu0I99w2fNlT8i8HpUtwCM61//ercm3 /3PTSzzMiK1k29kHjT6jVTEoKepELYE4PSb9vIADrnzwJUXQ6cVb5/wxoGA4+5rI5ayZ Dq4esIzP/1IMylk4m7/1MHxuo5rAeNeXBthx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=s1PZhYBSNdaJlU/mMoucm5LxA++3kGlmUxt+fhtyFS9CUJrFF72vbir+IFynuL/NHz GC5Z+Og6Bg0YyIYV0MiIjYHz/WS0ETZCZlJVEiYNyT4SYmkwZczguzgR8fN+Tsgy73zo j2pq8/keycpcjlA5fc7inFDN7jPCUyG4j6igY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.7.90 with SMTP id c26mr2549523fac.19.1268264764185; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17561003101407q33e25a40t982226f436e478f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <770382631003082147r56b269a5sde4b108b53beccf1@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931003090344i5aa85659r4e9d50523ac1ddd7@mail.gmail.com> <770382631003100732q4c29c83em14bf94bdb9344e99@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931003101351w18e76ed6n81ab40f3c822a647@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003101407q33e25a40t982226f436e478f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:46:04 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ac0169488c9a2f0c Message-ID: <4de8c3931003101546r6520a08dub05eab4c43180616@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: looking for new name From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2985 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2010/3/10 Jorge Llambías : > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:51 PM, tijlan wrote: >> >> If the name is meant to have two parts, probably "zi'eful.favysejmiv" >> with an inbetween dot is the safest option in the parser-oriented, >> formal areas of Lojbanistan. But people (including myself) often opts >> to omit dots for aesthetic or pragmatic reasons (e.g. "the >> letter-space is enough for us humans to see the division of words"). > > Actually, it's the other way around. The parser only needs a space to > know that in that context it represents an obligatory pause. The dot > is optional, and there only for the benefit of the humans, as a > remainder that they must include a pause there. But jbofi'e seems to be as much helped by the dot as by a space when it's given "iu.ui" at one time and "iu ui" at another time. And: in the case of "iu.ui", the space is optional; in the case of "iu ui", the dot is optional. It's the same for cmevla cases like "la brod.brod"/"la brod brod", "la zi'eful.favysajmiv"/"la zi'eful favysajmiv", etc.