From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 13 08:06:20 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqTr1-0001ZD-TT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:06:20 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqTqw-0001Xi-CO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:06:18 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so2054963bwz.26 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:06:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u8FDOlXCt+9w+u8hm9oElWBYmeyLmgTVz1a8mdzW3JM=; b=WQLDSqvvIrwLNNyVu+T9RncIaPnspVJaOQw+YbeOnPCKPuwVyhIX+xEZFoa7IknQfW XiFerOnzLtqvMrU7arBiPWUh4nOnOmLwjdsyi/ERK8g/adUUINtrDpYrni1R69Dmtn7n cIk2Kug3vWtq9d0EewholPS9inRy3UZ4zpCJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=o7sf2GYMvEtvoE41acPgLL+138e5abMdaK1gUUtt+J0uk5r9rXD46FCfY77pnCuKpG gDeFVnvDdEpdZxwVhBo1DpMzuX64UIqsGNhReb8DIgaGd4lfpaRc4BiafBeFQpTVv9lw b/tyOULVccJDLdjY2fayBrFnbYE5YPQtg/roA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.14.86 with SMTP id f22mr4766081bka.107.1268496367385; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:06:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301003130746x7347e6a3u3c38970be7c55316@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3931003130452v3473ee1ei70da65f022ac2b1b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003130713o346dd22lbe1cb8cf25c66f1c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003130746x7347e6a3u3c38970be7c55316@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:06:07 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003130806t592c146k934fc70f4dfb99dd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How versatile is "nu"? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2992 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > You don't think events are abstract?  I don't think I can see the event of > running for example.  I can see a man who is running, but the event itself > seems like an un-seeable thing. So you object to: mi viska lo nu lo nanmu cu bajra ? For me events are spatiotemporal objects, and as such they can often be seen. Do events have spatial extension? > ta'onai I find myself (un-desirably) just using {nu} out of laziness.  I > really want to memorize za'i/pu'u/zu'o/mu'e so I can start using them > regularly where they might be more appropriate. They are never *more* appropriate, since "nu" always covers them. They might be as appropriate, if you like marking distinctions that are already inherent in the meaning (a bit like gender and number agreement of adjectives with their noun, for example). mu'o mi'e xorxes