From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 13 08:50:46 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqUY1-0004Fw-Qj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:50:46 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqUXi-0004A2-B2 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:50:39 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so2080775bwz.26 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:50:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nprLQKPa8JQsGHQ+R7wfw5OtzEpHb+tq8/3leeBtZVQ=; b=hznwatdLo8Pff597SVLzQOdbv6+w3WZben6nJv3GHSiU5JdLnycmfvTrNunkdlUOWx 0BvWJRb6I38MRSROb+BBy8NxNNDvH90gNpWS+5lAwsyUaResmWa6+KpjJBgLLisWX4x9 PFgAVTb7Umo+N0tTELkWoLW4D1i/hdgHaZV6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DtQLWYY570zJw5tXJOMMastUSbQ+fkcfkXLONCoW8ktDgom+cf404MC30leNe+g9pC eVz7XvfDXkUi+FHOwYBvQH67TA74qvojZ9HPELp8mYnQaibqQ7eZveomODZPeaKaCgHx 8GQLgu0hinNQyfKqaXdv+GrSku7VGNnZGhuyE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.138.219 with SMTP id b27mr6357308bku.139.1268499019722; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:50:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301003130826v38796202i1d23f3c09809ca2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3931003130452v3473ee1ei70da65f022ac2b1b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003130713o346dd22lbe1cb8cf25c66f1c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003130746x7347e6a3u3c38970be7c55316@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003130806t592c146k934fc70f4dfb99dd@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003130826v38796202i1d23f3c09809ca2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:50:19 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003130850m59109847u1ca3b98628a1ab43@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How versatile is "nu"? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2995 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >  It just feels strange to me.  I understand myself to be seeing a man who is > running as opposed to the event of running itself. But there is a subtle difference, although it is not too obvious in this particular example. You could in principle see a man who is running without seeing that he is running. For a more obvious example, you could see a man who has his eyes closed without seeing that he has his eyes closed (because you see him from the back, for example). So: mi viska lo nanmu poi lo kanla be ke'a cu ganlo is different from: mi viska lo nu lo kanla be lo nanmu cu ganlo > I don't like using distinctions that are redundant.  But there are times > where I would like to specify that I for example {pu'u kukte} instead of > {za'i kukte} and where I want to be more specific than just {nu kukte} What do you mean that you pu'u kukte or za'i kukte? It is an event, not you, that could pu'u something or za'i something. "za'i kukte" would be the normal interpretation of "nu kukte", since something being delicious is normally a state. mu'o mi'e xorxes