From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 13 12:45:30 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqYDC-0002yc-7W for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:45:30 -0800 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqYD5-0002xj-81 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:45:27 -0800 Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so264382vws.40 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:45:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DbCGuRJuIYNNu+TYjFepf9tOALd3PYQWA9bIg1nJ23M=; b=AnqGpG9IJi+MvbBV80/80T1u2wkqhNcRMmrbH0lQunc6utveCdTHIjf6csMPnXJQS6 c8LbaFABJpkqP8mH/xrWTwwnQIW5NZpDIWKZqoAr1qnLA9LcPNn05dwE8V5nYqyTpvGG HBv2JUPZhO+mnpVb/i3E5XtRhSgahJH0brX/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=yD+FMPlAC744YynEYOmv597CW8giDhBwJ5EEOOnpeXAV2VOslUenm8naL1wb6NYwK4 lheMRQA9zALTomd4w0fTGSHm64hbNs1JUV2Jbme5s21PUuDXl7zLOKT606TZ5Pfzg/bC spHJA9s+RMdB0H08Kfst/N2YKWlQgwOOZ5veo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.122.68 with SMTP id k4mr2127786vcr.6.1268513116859; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:45:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3931003130928m50cde388xcb631dd523f63445@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3931003130452v3473ee1ei70da65f022ac2b1b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003130713o346dd22lbe1cb8cf25c66f1c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003130746x7347e6a3u3c38970be7c55316@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003130806t592c146k934fc70f4dfb99dd@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003130826v38796202i1d23f3c09809ca2d@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3931003130928m50cde388xcb631dd523f63445@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:16 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301003131245n23c64a7emfa56bccba3799045@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How versatile is "nu"? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d342feb92f5b0481b4b90e X-archive-position: 2998 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001636d342feb92f5b0481b4b90e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 errr, lo'ai kukte sa'ai jukpa le'ai I'm always mixing those up for some reason. > "a man" itself is an abstraction/event of e.g. atoms forming molecules > forming cells forming a biological male body; an event of "man-ing". > So, when you see "a man", you are already seeing an event. When "a > man" "runs", it's a combination of events, just like the event of > hydrogen & rubber forming a balloon and the event of the balloon going > up can combine. I see what you're saying. I think my understanding of "event" was just too narrow. Thanks for clearing that up. On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:28 PM, tijlan wrote: > On 13 March 2010 16:26, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> So you object to: > >> > >> mi viska lo nu lo nanmu cu bajra > >> > >> ? > > Good point. I suppose I can't really object to that for practical > reasons. > > It just feels strange to me. I understand myself to be seeing a man who > is > > running as opposed to the event of running itself. > > "a man" itself is an abstraction/event of e.g. atoms forming molecules > forming cells forming a biological male body; an event of "man-ing". > So, when you see "a man", you are already seeing an event. When "a > man" "runs", it's a combination of events, just like the event of > hydrogen & rubber forming a balloon and the event of the balloon going > up can combine. > > > > --001636d342feb92f5b0481b4b90e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable errr, lo'ai kukte sa'ai jukpa le'ai

I'm = always mixing those up for some reason.

> "a man" itself is an abst= raction/event of e.g. atoms forming molecules
> forming cells forming a biological male body; an event of "man-in= g".
> So, when you see "a man", you are already seeing= an event. When "a
> man" "runs", it's a comb= ination of events, just like the event of
> hydrogen & rubber forming a balloon and the event of the balloon g= oing
> up can combine.

I see what you're saying. =A0I think my understanding of "eve= nt" was just too narrow.

<= span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">Thanks= for clearing that up.

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:28 = PM, tijlan <jbo= tijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 March 2010 16:26, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So you object to:
>>
>> =A0 =A0mi viska lo nu lo nanmu cu bajra
>>
>> ?
> Good point. =A0I suppose I can't really object to that for practic= al reasons.
> =A0It just feels strange to me. =A0I understand myself to be seeing a = man who is
> running as opposed to the event of running itself.

"a man" itself is an abstraction/event of e.g. atoms formin= g molecules
forming cells forming a biological male body; an event of "man-ing&quo= t;.
So, when you see "a man", you are already seeing an event. When &= quot;a
man" "runs", it's a combination of events, just like the= event of
hydrogen & rubber forming a balloon and the event of the balloon going<= br> up can combine.




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