From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 15 05:22:31 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr9JW-0001n2-QE for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:22:31 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr9JP-0001kU-Ru for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:22:27 -0700 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so3231420bwz.26 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:22:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7csU14jbtkLhte+0crcOL3uYnRQrBSvbt8F0uUCOATc=; b=p6Thjm4J0RITekfguHdwQrPBNszAiyOk8FgDHFp8HpEFw3Ge2XD+5q8UA9V1ZWeRbB eX9H7TsUa10L/qqcXgS6d5GWAUOensIXy+DSR6qWkJ59f9P42QXMcNJhiIRpPU/GTN25 O86R0u4cK1kj34g7ss34PFoY3e3Joep9GaPa4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JkZD152WDNN90EvEDmLwNJT/nNUtmE0IETzhKlSuoBVHyxT4GBRXLCmBP+v8y+LPp4 g7y2GQPIZfTfvT9y13DWbrK55OLMq1VMjfxX2djVN0HAWHpGPMgaYAEoiiT4Jk0VVtP+ GKgCmeD0QiOQhwSi+zzcLqQdPBDjfuvfDcoqI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.9.153 with SMTP id l25mr4562349bkl.208.1268655736726; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:22:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100314.222253.9845.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> References: <20100314.222253.9845.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:22:16 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003150522kc99535bg80be6de20fd1a095@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mluni and lunra From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 3004 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:22 AM, moorkids@juno.com wrote: > Hi, > Just wondering ... > > Why are both mluni and lunra necessary? No single gismu is strictly "necessary". There's a lot of overlap in the concepts covered by gismu, think of them as convenient rather than necessary. > mluni: x1 is a satellite/moon orbiting x2 with characteristics x3, orbital parameters x4 > lunra: x1 is a major natural satellite/moon of planet x2; x1 is Earth's moon [default] > > The only difference (I notice) between the x1 and x2 of both is lunra is a natural satellite where mluni is any satellite (natural or unnatural).  Other than that mluni just seems to expand upon lunra. Another difference is that x2 of lunra is a planet, while x2 of mluni can be just about anything. > Is the only purpose for lunra is to specify the "natural" of the satellite (couldn't that be specified in mluni's x3?) and to serve as a default for our moon? terdi, solri and lunra are important enough for humans that they got their own gismu in spite of them being special cases of plini, tarci and mluni. mu'o mi'e xorxes