From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 15 11:27:13 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrF0R-0004rP-Rk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:27:12 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com ([209.85.220.210]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrF0F-0004iE-QY for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:27:04 -0700 Received: by fxm2 with SMTP id 2so618402fxm.26 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:26:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Myt6wiYpKhRMFnbtJ6Ln/pS2LT7Smy8uXFEkw8LkQ4Y=; b=SQoRp7AIV6PHop28vG0DSJ2ay523w8Co0FcCNXGmUDVK2YcgbN05JAJK8BLwZeT2gv 8K2qvKDt/qL9nJK/CN0hxLc/RpZwI5Ig6VUWNr7MbYBPCZPQaPt/mobKniFi0it/7CR0 u0cZv5kkoVsX7kSRuGNyH6Pto0osAca+j4YHc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GU0DIgE5q0WETHS3jRlvLx2oQLP72ERIJpP0TCV47afZaKl+ckO2U/AVDGWD36VZe6 ggfhqZfvphjfNzKUFfncU3QujN4OPsrgXs4ElenWouyoUgtGLj2QnY16OHAOuBvvqlJ0 ZzCv+04MOaSVGXvQxmNtJPzVZxKqEM4AavqHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.95.89 with SMTP id c25mr3794255fan.20.1268677612672; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:26:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17561003151014p415766a4n310d69d20b72bac7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3931003130452v3473ee1ei70da65f022ac2b1b@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003131245n23c64a7emfa56bccba3799045@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003131607v64d15ae1u29c42305e114c48a@mail.gmail.com> <201003132351.36353.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17561003140741o4dda967cn5da839d5f69fdeb2@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831003150959g65a0df85ve65508bc16cbdb0f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003151014p415766a4n310d69d20b72bac7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: <16d9defd1003151126j12806949q6f3b676b05ed35ac@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How versatile is "nu"? From: chris kerr To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 3007 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: letsclimbhigher@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Wouldn't a good fix be to have: "the truth value of" = {jei} "whether" = {du'u xu kau} Any arguments against? codrus 2010/3/15 Jorge Llambías : > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >> So {jei} is exactly identical to {du'u xukau}? Or is there a semantic >> difference? > > There are two candidate meanings for "jei". Nobody really knows which > one is the "correct" one. One of the meanings is "du'u xukau", i.e. it > basically corresponds to the indirect question "whether". The other > candidate meaning is "the truth value of". "jei" is not used much, > since we already have "du'u xukau" for "whether", and "the truth value > of" is not something that comes up often in conversation. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > >