From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 15 12:24:29 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrFtr-0005kd-Jk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:24:28 -0700 Received: from mail-px0-f201.google.com ([209.85.216.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrFtV-0005ff-I1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:24:18 -0700 Received: by pxi39 with SMTP id 39so2481300pxi.2 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:23:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BFq/3AszJMw+bBQELCenGvwbGbzS3JE6Sgin5fJcFps=; b=x5yg5vabDf79aPN6X28E30ZAY2gKOFThyGWsTZR1R1AOOYst5K7CeO5+melEIRV5QU +5GPezf2wnCDr01HgzDvVHfYmohZFClSuZg5M2MbtiJaN6WDXTzyUuCetc/cKY5xv3df WRLATtr/nEUBm9RIZVbsF3GwW7yS6F+Ktvktg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aXMQgkwdq8Mxy6CCS4xFxxcBM069QwdMaFwNg2c4TbDVddN7FeGIOuG3d4P40ydkG1 4CQB1G9c6ZQaJCI+frIEL8l8U86h/AKKRdLfaMHzZmkTYwq4ErRlVEjEns5Hs7CRPxeF 123SNU2szSTEf5Qmg34CcufgJmrkQCV5/GU6c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.9.10 with SMTP id 10mr1464408wfi.177.1268681038309; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:23:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <16d9defd1003151137mba5fc38lba8b846c6faac933@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3931003130452v3473ee1ei70da65f022ac2b1b@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003131245n23c64a7emfa56bccba3799045@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003131607v64d15ae1u29c42305e114c48a@mail.gmail.com> <201003132351.36353.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17561003140741o4dda967cn5da839d5f69fdeb2@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831003150959g65a0df85ve65508bc16cbdb0f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003151014p415766a4n310d69d20b72bac7@mail.gmail.com> <16d9defd1003151126j12806949q6f3b676b05ed35ac@mail.gmail.com> <16d9defd1003151137mba5fc38lba8b846c6faac933@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a61003151223y40cbd6a8s8c0a5041d89ffcb0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How versatile is "nu"? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 3009 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM, chris kerr wrote: > Actually, is having {jei} redundant in this sense? Is there ever a > time when you need "the truth value of" and "whether" won't do? > Of course there is. Consider, for example, all those Smullyanesque logic puzzles, where the answer is something like, "If I were to ask you if the truth value of your answer is the same as the truth value of "The dragon behind the second door?", what would you say?" --gejyspa