From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 15 15:29:45 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrInA-0004Vy-Kc for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:29:45 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrIn3-0004Rb-4K for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:29:40 -0700 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so145984bwz.26 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:29:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YrYjh7dWP6LPScHs0mepwm18mKBVa8e11tU6xkFBuAA=; b=SoUoSOYrdwk7vQyfWE3Ze10OM4PihFjHbkuljcmuy1XO1mWFOvFDGnOBGu8R+uZGk0 Gw29CzBClGSg28KGxd9rAbaVRIpsfGNCtHZxVa+2hlqu7rS3xp6UCDud7hQBioIhFUgZ NKFLxg79j9sOAVOyN2ARBlFlUCGEjCUGt/1pU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GFvQuIM5oujAmGjWQMAim70gz6rOWbaIoqTBh9gjMn5tSMi4+wowbUiG3855CD0+CQ /42/L0qsjEwBniAD5U4OUNyXbt4b//iQiFPbn7GDYtgFPjiTaIL7Gh7bA6QOu7FjIFb8 0RXOGNaZakbqEbM0GpBd+CfqDQxucB5UFcESw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.141.69 with SMTP id l5mr4321217bku.64.1268692169949; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:29:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1f1080831003151435u2d8df14eo26bb0a4f60a33c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3931003130452v3473ee1ei70da65f022ac2b1b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003131607v64d15ae1u29c42305e114c48a@mail.gmail.com> <201003132351.36353.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17561003140741o4dda967cn5da839d5f69fdeb2@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831003150959g65a0df85ve65508bc16cbdb0f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003151014p415766a4n310d69d20b72bac7@mail.gmail.com> <16d9defd1003151126j12806949q6f3b676b05ed35ac@mail.gmail.com> <16d9defd1003151137mba5fc38lba8b846c6faac933@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a61003151223y40cbd6a8s8c0a5041d89ffcb0@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831003151435u2d8df14eo26bb0a4f60a33c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:29:29 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003151529l45aae38aiac525e7e832e0db3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How versatile is "nu"? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 3014 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Incidentally, I don't quite understand why "truth value" shouldn't come up > in conversation once you're using a short term like {jei}, which is > considerably less cumbersome and IMO more straightforward than the > alternative, especially in a language which has part of its basis in > classical logic. I doubt that the length of a word will have much of an effect on how often people will talk about what the word denotes. If something is spoken about a lot, it may happen that it will acquire a short and convenient word to refer to it, but it seems to me that providing a short word for something will not really make people want to talk about it. As for truth values, they may come up when talking _about_ logic, but not necessarily when using logic or when talking logically. Also, when talking about logic you are more likely to talk about truth values in general, rather than the truth value of a particular proposition, and "jei" is not very useful for that. Not that I see people talking about "lo se jetlai" much either. It seems that Lojbanists don't spend much time talking about logic in Lojban. mu'o mi'e xorxes