From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 16 22:17:02 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nrlcr-0001yl-SR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:17:02 -0700 Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.15]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nrlck-0001xv-Mz for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:16:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1268803008; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=ijmCE2DcLydP+XtrwzH0gHT826Ln73Y6cQu2QKeFbM+kbmItEaBG7TW9EwKiwVMTo ZJFjUL3nFO8m4b4eP2OjoqIGle0c64HxBRta+lBPhVih1Jb9zKWtT5t/rn3NktMhtZ 4jwNpGTPv9D8IlgTZfGHhrESfvS3hOxa3M9f6X+o= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF4A3P5AW3QJAS for (sender ); Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:16:43 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ynfJG4AWjrNUTte+ZzK1n1cTUY5LiCUEz+TyrUBB9VgQOQKRDYhwdg== Received: (from moorkids@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P87XU89X; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:16:13 PDT Received: from [98.225.33.20] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:15:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [98.225.33.20] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "moorkids@juno.com" Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:15:39 GMT To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mluni and lunra Message-Id: <20100316.221539.2470.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 1387 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:3957413837 X-MAIL-INFO:0e4155c0612d0d25710049b16935fd00f50d45edf4118954f9f0744d39b539b4b4914189e1b59150a470d4d04999d599242494c044b9d5c9318da57d9d648555cd84519541a01005006480ad X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|moorkids@juno.com X-archive-position: 3023 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: moorkids@juno.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Thanks for the response, it was very helpful! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jorge Llambías To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mluni and lunra Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:22:16 -0300 On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:22 AM, moorkids@juno.com wrote: > Hi, > Just wondering ... > > Why are both mluni and lunra necessary? No single gismu is strictly "necessary". There's a lot of overlap in the concepts covered by gismu, think of them as convenient rather than necessary. > mluni: x1 is a satellite/moon orbiting x2 with characteristics x3, orbital parameters x4 > lunra: x1 is a major natural satellite/moon of planet x2; x1 is Earth's moon [default] > > The only difference (I notice) between the x1 and x2 of both is lunra is a natural satellite where mluni is any satellite (natural or unnatural).  Other than that mluni just seems to expand upon lunra. Another difference is that x2 of lunra is a planet, while x2 of mluni can be just about anything. > Is the only purpose for lunra is to specify the "natural" of the satellite (couldn't that be specified in mluni's x3?) and to serve as a default for our moon? terdi, solri and lunra are important enough for humans that they got their own gismu in spite of them being special cases of plini, tarci and mluni. mu'o mi'e xorxes ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210