From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 23 14:15:29 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NuBRg-0003Gc-J6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:15:29 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NuBRa-0003Ff-OX for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:15:27 -0700 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so5619092bwz.26 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=n+7KUfzsOBtZTY7fIR6LidAzK1xGF0FnPu04Sc7kYXY=; b=Dp8P0lJoNYFbEjIW14d7mOsM9blGG3NTJR1wwzaHJ4Ni1niWzxtKINr+ANeHE63cYn xD7yn100Pxsrq9ePT+jPEDIbswYTkOVSRy22KwQB61HTg5z/E9Y82mYCuSJUBo3EU4qY kYWR6nxoMhazWV3P1YZjOT3mLgt4r1Wp5iZdk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Eum/JD31O8Q+97VbAu2dfeYH5hq2iyjOn5Cd4X3KzwIP4FImLs546C/fjVR8j5K4Wh OkxvDnuqqjLsJ4YFYKlI41VZXg6sopWmSNL/25rVrD3FJrZAPnx+1Ls7VXcsYB2cS08Z tLyNBYJagRRY/EFzOXN1IjG68tpO18Hbe846U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.132.131 with SMTP id b3mr6087652bkt.135.1269378916022; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:15:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301003231343p30854781tf74255ceedb03e7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9301003210025q7f680f5eo50b3e7d76c38f116@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003210712r4b4a02f7l1531cf6997f361c7@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003211010h21ddaf0ch95f5f80ae56de924@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003211043w34812aa9p8f5b0b323657e06@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003211046s6e0035ddj9a6144fa453de11@mail.gmail.com> <16d9defd1003211607v44b3b829xb62d34a3b76b5308@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003230545s3d54d111nc43bfa64a8c16144@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003231343p30854781tf74255ceedb03e7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:15:15 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003231415o228a91efi59d6eb4d04a4e034@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: .imu'ibo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 3063 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Ok, so the difference between: > broda .ibabo brode > and > broda .ibaku brode > Is that the first one is saying that {brode} happens after {broda} and the > second one is saying that {brode} happens after (?) default of the speakers > present? Right. "Default" might be too strong, but yes, after something unspecified, probably the speaker's present, maybe even after broda. In the case of ".ibabo" it is definitely brode after broda. > I'm probably being a little intentionally thick here.  The first time I saw > {.ibabo} I tried to figure it out on my own and got incredibly confused when > I got to the cmavo {bo}.  Everything prior to that made sense; [new > sentence][in the future][tanru short scope link] ?!?!?!  Why was it decided > to use an already used cmavo for this convention of {.ibo}? "tanru short scope link" is just a case of bad gloss for "bo". Simply "short scope link" would be better, used for tanru among other things. broda .ije brode .ijabo brodi groups as: broda .ije (brode .ijabo brodi) as opposed to: (broda .ije brode) .ija brodi No tanru in sight. > It seems > to me like one of the most non-conventional parts of the language at this > point.  Or is {bo} supposed to be more general in some way that it actually > makes sense to use it in this other way? "bo" is not restricted to tanru, It can be used with all afterthought connectives, and also in the NAhE BO construction, where it effectively turns NAhE into something like LAhE. mu'o mi'e xorxes