From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Feb 12 23:16:21 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net ([68.1.17.241]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18jDbY-0008Cs-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:16:20 -0800 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030213071549.QBXF22825.lakemtao04.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:15:49 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030213020333.030c3a90@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:15:37 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Robert LeChevalier Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A problem with cu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 105 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners At 03:35 PM 2/12/03 +0100, lojban@65536.org wrote: >Let's see whether I understand it. > >{le cilre cu xamgu} - learning is good The learner is good >{le cilre xamgu} - (a tanru I cannot translate) The learner-type-of-good-thing (perhaps "the good learner") >{lenu mi cilre cu xamgu} - the event of my learning is good Excellent! An alternative and more likely English equivalent would be "The lesson is/(was) good". I presume that a specific event of learning is a "lesson" in an example below. >{lenu mi cilre xamgu} - the event of my doing (tanru) The event of my being a "good learner" >{lenu mi cilre zo'e cu xamgu} - the event of my learning something > is good > >In the last sentence I need {cu} because {lenu zo'e (selbri) >zo'e ...} is always another selbri. Almost {nu zo'e (selbri) zo'e ...[kei]} is a selbri. Thus {le (nu mi cilre zo'e [kei]) xamgu} is the learning-something-event type of good thing or possibly "good lesson" > But this selbri doesn't have >x1, x2, ... like gismus. (?) "nu broda [kei]" does have an x1. The place structure is the simplistic "x1 is an event of broda-ing". When you say "lenu broda [kei]" you are referring to the x1 of this selbri, since that is what x1 does. At this point among the abstractors, I believe that only "ni" abstractions have an officially defined x2 >mu'o mi'e .iens. >(Is {ki'e mu'o mi'e .iens.} something like {Thanks, ...}?) Yes. -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org