From pnewton@gmx.de Wed Feb 19 00:10:09 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 19 Feb 2003 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from postman.arcor-online.net ([151.189.0.87]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lPIt-0003IH-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 00:10:08 -0800 Received: from hamwpne1 (pc1-oxfd1-5-cust27.oxfd.cable.ntl.com [62.254.134.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by postman.arcor-online.net (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h1J8A3Jl005339 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:10:05 +0100 (CET) From: "Philip Newton" Organization: datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:08:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lojban-beginners] ti, ta, tu for people? Message-ID: <3E534997.25616.231672@localhost> Priority: normal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-archive-position: 137 X-Approved-By: pnewton@gmx.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: pnewton@gmx.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo Is it correct to use ti, ta, tu for people? For example, this morning as I was walking to work, I saw someone cutting branches off a tree (they had been felling trees and cutting branches off others all along the road for the past couple of days, but this was the first time I had seen someone in the middle of work). I thought "Why is he cutting the branches?" And then I wondered how to express that in Lojban. My first thought was {mu'i ma ta katna le jimca}, but I wasn't sure whether it was proper to use {ta} for people. {ko'a} is, presumably, wrong since it hasn't been bound yet (or would it automatically be bound to the "nearest logical thing" or something like that?). And {le va prenu} seems a bit long if it can be avoided. (Hm, looking at the gi'uste, perhaps {ta ka'argau fi le jimca} is better than {ta katna le jimca} when the subject is a person.) mu'o mi'e filip. -- filip.niutyn. All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.