From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Feb 19 11:36:23 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net ([68.1.17.241]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18la10-0003nN-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:36:22 -0800 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030219193552.KWCA22825.lakemtao04.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:35:52 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030219143046.033937d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:35:58 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Robert LeChevalier Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ti, ta, tu for people? In-Reply-To: <1045655098.3e536e3a38274@imp.free.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 151 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners At 12:44 PM 2/19/03 +0100, jexOm. wrote: >"3. Demonstrative pro-sumti: the ti-series >The following cmavo are discussed in this section: > ti KOhA ti-series this here, a nearby object > ta KOhA ti-series that there, a medium-distant object > tu KOhA ti-series that yonder, a far-distant object" > >So, to me Philip's question is understandable, since a person is not an=20 >"object". The dichotomy between "person" and "object" is politics, not=20 language. Here is the definition of object in Merriam-Webster: >Main Entry:=20 >1ob=B7ject >Pronunciation: '=E4b-jikt, -(")jekt >Function: noun >Etymology: Middle English, from Medieval Latin objectum, from Latin,=20 >neuter of objectus, past participle of obicere to throw in the way,=20 >present, hinder, from ob- in the way + jacere to throw -- more at=20 >OB-,=20 >JET >Date: 14th century >1 a : something material that may be perceived by the senses object in the distance> b : something that when viewed stirs a particular= =20 >emotion (as pity) poisons sight; let it be hid -- Shakespeare> >2 : something mental or physical toward which thought, feeling, or action= =20 >is directed carved art objects> >3 a : the goal or end of an effort or activity :=20 >PURPOSE,=20 >OBJECTIVE investigate the matter thoroughly> b : a cause for attention or concern=20 > >4 : a thing that forms an element of or constitutes the subject matter of= =20 >an investigation or science >5 a : a noun or noun equivalent (as a pronoun, gerund, or clause) denoting= =20 >the goal or result of the action of a verb b : a noun or noun equivalent=20 >in a prepositional phrase >synonym see INTENTION >-=20 >ob=B7ject=B7less=20 >/-l&s/ adjective >- ob=B7ject=B7less=B7ness noun There is no definition of "object" therein that excludes people. lojbab --=20 lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org