From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Feb 28 06:34:09 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from f88.law8.hotmail.com ([216.33.241.88] helo=hotmail.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18olaT-00044q-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:34:09 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:33:38 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:33:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] From: "Jorge Llambias" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sumti before and after "composite" selbri Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:33:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 14:33:38.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[6217F340:01C2DF36] X-archive-position: 192 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners la filip cusku di'e >Is {la stelas. mi xendo gi'e prami} the same as {la stelas. xendo gi'e >prami mi}? > >(It appears not; in the first case, {mi} is x2 of both {xendo} and >{prami}, in the second only of {prami}.) Right. You can also say {la stelas xendo gi'e prami vau mi}, in which case {mi} is x2 of both again. >Is {la stelas. mi xendo je prami} the same as {la stelas. xendo je >prami mi}? Yes. >(It appears so -- that {mi} is x2 of both {xendo} and {prami}, >regardless of the order.) Actually, it is x2 of {prami} in both cases. There is no clear rule for how the places of {broda} affect {broda je brode}. For example, in {ko'a tavla je bajra} I would not expect the x2 of {tavla} to be the same as the x2 of {bajra}. >What is the difference between the sentence with {gi'e} and the >sentence with {je}? The sentence with {gi'e} is clear. The one with {je} is not so clear. >What are the forethought versions? Is it {la stelas mi ge xendo gi >prami} for the version with {gi'e} and {la stelas mi gu'e xendo gi >prami} for the version with {je}? Yes. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail