From Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Thu Feb 06 05:43:52 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 06 Feb 2003 05:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw1.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12] helo=spree.gedas.de) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18gmJj-0006ON-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 05:43:51 -0800 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26975 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:43:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26971 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:43:49 +0100 (MET) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:43:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Intonation of xu (was Re: (no subject) ) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:43:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 72 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners la .ian. cu cusku di'e > > Just adding "lenu" before "mi gubyternoi" should do. I did > want to say "the process of (testing before I publish)". > And it seems to me that > > .i mi ta'e pilno ri lepu'u cipra pu lenu mi gubyternoi > > groups fine. Yes, it does seem to. I thought you meant "I habitually use it (for the process of testing) (before I publish)", which would have needed the extra {kei} (or possibly also a {ku} or two). But your interpretation also makes sense. > "mi pilno ri" is not really that much shorter than "mi pilno mi", so > the "mi" is ignored by ri. (Lojban Reference Grammar, Chapter 7, 6.3) I think it's not so much the "is shorter than" bit as the fact that "most of the other cmavo of KOhA, and the almost-grammatically- equivalent lerfu words of selma'o BY" are ignored by {ri}, according to the web version of the refgramm ( http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html#s6 ; thanks, Jan, for finding the right section for me to read). mu'omi'e filip. -- filip.niutyn. All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.