From pille@mac.com Mon Feb 10 03:09:38 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from a17-250-248-97.apple.com ([17.250.248.97] helo=smtpout.mac.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iBof-0005F0-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:09:37 -0800 Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h1AB9YJ4029711 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([80.142.184.200]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HA3AZX00.G86 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:09:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:09:40 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [lojban-beginners] tanru/lujvo for [name] type of thing? From: Jan Pilgenroeder To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2631311C-3CE8-11D7-B0CD-000393B76BE4@mac.com> X-archive-position: 74 X-Approved-By: pille@mac.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: pille@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hi, I'v just been thinking about (someday) writing a short summary of Niklas Luhmann's Theory of Social Systems in Lojban. The Problem is: Luhmann redefines some common and very basic words. So it would be nice to mark them as being used in a Luhmann way. One way I figured would be to build a tanru with a loanwoard e.g. "saskrlumani cusku" or even shorter "saskrlu cusku", but this is not really beautiful and does not allow for lujvo building (or does it?). It would make sense transfer Luhmann's terminology completely as fu'ivla (in many cases it would be nice to have a different place structure anyway), but I've been wondering if there is a different way. BTW: how do you define place-structures for fu'ivla? I need to say something like e.g.: "A Luhmann type-of Observation is the drawing of a distiction between two states and the marking of one of the states" and I would like the place structure to be X1= the operation of observing, X2= the marked state, X3= the unmarked state, X4= the observing system (a human mind or a communications-system e.g. science or an organisation). And it would be really nice to be able to build lujvo e.g. for "science-type-of-(Luhmann-type-of-observation)" or "self-referential-type-of-(Luhmann-type-of-observation)" How could I do this in Lojban? Bye, Jan. -- Jan Pilgenroeder Theaterstr. 59 52062 Aachen