From lojban@65536.org Wed Feb 12 04:32:01 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iw3U-0004Cg-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:32:00 -0800 Received: from [212.227.126.203] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18iw3T-0001hv-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:31:59 +0100 Received: from [172.23.4.144] (helo=config17.schlund.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18iw3T-0007Ts-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:31:59 +0100 Received: from www-data by config17.schlund.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18iw3T-0005gm-00 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:31:59 +0100 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A problem with cu From: lojban@65536.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-From: 5391625 Received: from 217.87.16.174 by webmail.puretec.de via HTTP X-Binford: 6100 (more power) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:31:59 +0100 X-archive-position: 90 X-Approved-By: lojban@65536.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: lojban@65536.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo Thanks for your answers. If I would recognize {nu mi cilre fi la lojban.} in {lenu mi cilre fi la lojban. cu xamgu mi} as a selbri the {cu} in this sentence would be clear. Let's see what I understand with my little knowledge about Lojban. If I don't use {cu} {xamgu} would be x5 of {cilre}. Then the sentence doesn't make any sense to me. Now take: {lenu mi cilre fi la lojban. (by a method x5) xamgu mi} Just replace "(by a method x5)" with a good Lojban phrase. There are no more places of {cilre}. Do I still need the {cu}? Unfortunatly I don't understand the answers for my other {cu}- problem with {lenu mi klama cu se tcika la daucac.} Probably because I don't know what a tanru is (not yet!). Can I use the following rule as long as I don't know it: Use {cu se} instead of {se} when in doubt. mu'o mi'e .iens. (Why is {mu'omi'e .iens.} correct, too?)