From pille@mac.com Tue Apr 22 05:52:29 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.85]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 197xG9-0007J4-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:52:29 -0700 Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h3MCqSdP004085 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com ([80.142.157.12]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HDQX3F00.47X for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:52:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:52:23 +0200 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: x2, x3 and x4 of tcadu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Jan Pilgenroeder To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030421233637.GE31828@digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: <435CAB8D-74C1-11D7-88C9-000393B76BE4@mac.com> X-archive-position: 225 X-Approved-By: pille@mac.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: pille@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Am Dienstag, 22.04.03 um 01:36 Uhr schrieb Robin Lee Powell: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 05:45:05PM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: >> The 4th place structure is the least easy and clear-cut to fill >> in, because the "area served by a city" rarely has a name of it >> own. I have approximated this by saying that the city serves the >> state it's in, but this is perhaps accurate only for state >> capitals. > > Here in the US we have 'counties', which are ve tcadu, and I suspect > that may be why tcadu has that place. It certainly was hard to get > used to when I moved here. Aren't counties also political (or at least administrative) units? I think this place structure really becomes useful when you want to make a point about economic relations that don't fit national borders or only span part of that political unit, like a border town that gets much more business from abroad than from the country it belongs to. Also when I say "mi zvati le veltcadu be fo la xamburg" I don't imply that I am living closer to Hamburg than e.g. Bremen, but that Hamburg is the place where I go when I need to go shopping for stuff you don't get in small towns (even though I might actually be living closer to Bremen). Bye, Jan. -- Jan Pilgenroeder Theaterstr. 59 52062 Aachen