From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Wed Apr 23 12:14:17 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198PhA-0007j5-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:14:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE8531F02 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:13:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp102.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.102]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0C631ED0 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:13:40 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3EA74935.1020702@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:17:25 -0400 From: "robin.bcc" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A Newbie's First Impressions References: <20030423164824.5213.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030423164824.5213.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 244 X-Approved-By: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Travis Garris wrote: > (here is a big plus for Lojban, > attitudinal words, since I'm not a big fan of smileys, > I just don't know what the tongue-in-cheek version of > .u'i is). There was a massive debate some years back on whether attitudinals could be used ironically, sarcastic or with tongue in cheek. It was never resolved to everyone's satisfaction, although the official position is clear: attitudinals cannot be used in this way because they are not propositions. You could say .u'i.zo'o, but it is not clear what the relationship between the two is (attitudinals don't have the strict grouping rules of, say tanru - so it's generally assumed that i someone says ".oi.ui.aunairu'e" they are expressing complaint, happiness and a lack of desire in unspecified proprotions, or an emotion which is a peculiar mixture of the three). robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin