From jexOm@free.fr Thu May 15 13:15:02 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 15 May 2003 13:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.26] helo=mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GP82-0008DD-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:15:02 -0700 Received: from free.fr (unknown [81.248.140.162]) by mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C9F9A68000B8 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:14:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:14:29 +0200 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to use "birti"/"jetnu"/"jinvi"/etc.? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: jexOm. To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20030515180508.GM3216@digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: X-archive-position: 316 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jexOm@free.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Le jeudi, 15 mai 2003, =E0 20:05 Europe/Paris, Robin Lee Powell a =E9crit = : > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:56:41AM -0600, c1tk@c1tk.cjb.net wrote: >> coi rodo, >> >> What is the correct way to use gismu such as "birti", "jetnu", >> "jinvi" which involve a full-blown assertion as one of their >> arguments? E.g. how do I transform a statement like "Saddam is >> evil" ("la sadam. palci") into "I think Saddam is evil"? What >> should I put as the x2 to "jinvi"? > > mi jinvi le du'u la xusein. palci I think :-) you could also use a discursive, like "pe'i la xusein. palci" instead of "mi pensi le du'u la xusein. palci" (if you want to stick with this example) See http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter13.html > -Rboni go'i mo - jex=D3m. - zo'o