From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Sun Feb 22 14:32:36 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Av29M-00077E-G6 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:32:36 -0800 Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp110.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.110]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34B726E56 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:32:01 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <40392E57.8020900@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:33:59 +0200 From: robin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Syllable in place of pause References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 509 X-Approved-By: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners melissa@fastanimals.com wrote: > Hi all, > > My husband and I just started studying Lojban. Because we are nerdy and > obsessive, we're thinking ahead to the day when Lojban is the interlingua > and Lojban speakers rule the world. > > We figure the pauses will be the first thing to go, in a community of true > Lojban speakers. People just aren't going to do that in real life; > they'll rely on context to make it clear. But although this is > inevitable, it is also anethema to the Lojban philosophy. > > We looked briefly at Loglan before settling on Lojban. We encountered > references to Loglan speakers who use the syllable "gu" (apparently > otherwise unassigned) in place of mandatory pauses. > > Is there a similar convention among Lojban speakers? > > ObLojban: .a'u.a'o > Not that I know of. I think you're right about pauses being largely dropped in conversation (or maybe the glottal stop will catch on). The same thing applies in natural languages. Someone from my native Shropshire will easily realise that "Oyinnergunner" means "I am not going to." robin.tr -- "Caesar non supra grammaticos." - Suetonius Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin