From adam@pubcrawler.org Fri Feb 27 06:27:54 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.seas.wustl.edu ([128.252.145.2]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Awiy2-0005D8-Nj for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:27:54 -0800 Received: from clarion.cec.wustl.edu (clarion.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.3]) by postal.seas.wustl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1RES2M14058 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:28:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by clarion.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id i1RERo69002907 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:27:51 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: clarion.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:27:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: precise definition of cmene In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Status: No, -7.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Report: -7.1/5.0 ---- Start SpamAssassin results -7.10 points, 5 required; * -0.0 -- Has a valid-looking References header * 0.0 -- Message-Id indicates a non-spam MUA (Pine) * -0.4 -- Has a In-Reply-To header * -0.4 -- Has a X-Authentication-Warning header * -0.5 -- BODY: Contains what looks like an email attribution * 0.0 -- BODY: {1}Letter - garbage - {3}Letter * 0.0 -- BODY: {3}Letter - garbage - {1}Letter * -5.4 -- BODY: Bayesian classifier says spam probability is 1 to 10% [score: 0.0168] * -0.4 -- BODY: Contains what looks like a quoted email text * 0.0 -- Reply with quoted text ---- End of SpamAssassin results X-archive-position: 528 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Scott Weller wrote: > One of the finer rules of cmene constuction says that a cmene cannot contain > (among a few other things) the element 'la'. If we allowed 'la > labrydor.rytrivyr' there would be ambiguity as to whether that might really > be 'la la brydor.rytrivyr' (whatever that might mean). Ok, this has been bugging me for a long time, but I might as well ask. What is the ambiguity this presents? As I understand it, "la cmen" is grammatically a sumti, while "cmen" is is a cmene. Where could there possibly be confusion? Where can either one be acceptable? What would "la la brydor.rytrivr.' mean? Every time the "no la/lai/doi in cmene" rule pops up, I try to figure out its purpose, and I always fail and feel stupid. Can someone enlighten me? .a'iro'e .a'o -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ Blond Klingons: because it was a good day to dye!