From bruce@brucewebber.com Sat Mar 27 12:14:02 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.170.84]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B7KBt-0004qa-TP for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:14:01 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO brucewebber.com) (bwebber000@ameritech.net@68.21.42.122 with plain) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 20:14:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4065E087.1080409@brucewebber.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:13:59 -0500 From: Bruce Webber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban qua lingua franca References: <200403270411.i2R4BYUD010632@smtp21.singnet.com.sg> <20040327070025.GN18619@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20040327070025.GN18619@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 624 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: bruce@brucewebber.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Robin Lee Powell wrote: >On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 12:14:46PM +0800, Michael Aldridge wrote: > > >>Curiouser and curiouser said >> >>Explain to me slowly the difference between to grasp and to learn from >>the point of view of lojban grammar. >> >> > >I don't know what Greg is talking about, but I found both grasping and >learning the fundamentals of Lojban grammar to be quite easy. > >-Robin > > > As a lojban beginner, the challenge for me is learning the place structure for the gismu, especially when there are x3 and higher places. However, by learning the meanings of each of the places, I'm actually learning a set of words - for example, by learning "dunda" I learn how to say "gives", "giver", "gift", and "recipient". And of course, there's no conjugation to learn! (Last night I watched Monty Python's "Life of Brian". There's a very funny scene in which Brian is attempting to write "Romans go home" on the palace walls, and a Roman centurion gives him a lesson in Latin grammer, including the singular vs. plural, imperative and accusative case.) mi'e brus.