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From: "Chris Howlett" <chris@balcomie.freeserve.co.uk>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la'i<somename>. - Unique semantics of letter combinations?
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My mistake, sorry. The rest of what I said still stands, though - in
fact more than before! {'} does not cause a pause, merely a "h" sound to
be inserted. {.} is a definite pause for a glottal stop.

mi'e kris.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org 
> [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org] On 
> Behalf Of jexOm.
> Sent: 29 August 2004 23:58
> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org
> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la'i<somename>. - Unique 
> semantics of letter combinations?
> 
> 
> Note :
> {'} is not the syllabe separator, {,} is.
> {'} is pronounced 'h' like in "hello".
>    Jérôme.
> 
> Le 30 août 04, à 00:48, Chris Howlett a écrit :
> 
> > As I understand it, the difference occurs because "la'i lojban" is 
> > actually pronounced subtly differently from "la .ilojban". 
> The ' - a 
> > syllable separator - is not so much a pause as just a means of 
> > changing syllables. It's often written as a light h. In 
> contrast, . is 
> > a glottal stop, a very real pause. As an example, consider the name 
> > "Ryan". As it's pronounced (where I live at least!), that 
> could just 
> > about be lojbanised as "rai'an". The alternative "rai.an" 
> would become 
> > in English something more akin to "rye - an", where the gap 
> includes a 
> > glottal stop
> > (the vocal thing where you push air through a closed 
> throat, forcing it
> > open. You'll do it automatically if you try to say just "ah".)
> >
> > Hope that made sense - it's very hard discussing 
> pronunciation through 
> > text!
> >
> > mi'e kris.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org
> >> [mailto:lojban-beginne rs-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org]On
> >> Behalf Of Jens-Wolfhard Schicke
> >> Sent: 29 August 2004 11:03
> >> To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
> >> Subject: [lojban-beginners     ]la'isomename.-Unique
> >> semantics of letter combinations?
> >>
> >>
> >> I read the claim, that
> >>> A stream of Lojban sounds can be uniquely broken up into
> >> its component
> >>> words according to specific rules.
> >> [ Reference Grammar, Chapter 4 ]
> >>
> >> So how abount the stream
> >>
> >> .imiskicula'ilojban.
> >>
> >> Where do I know from whether I describe the thing named 
> "'ilojban" or 
> >> the set of named "lojban"?
> >>
> >> BTW:
> >> ~ # ./jbofihe
> >> .imiskicula'ilojban.
> >> Unrecognizable word ''ilojban' at line 1 column 12
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
>