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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Brivla => sumti?
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--- der Mouse wrote:
> >> That is, can I talk about how "John running through the store makes
> >> a mess for me to clean up?"
> 
> > le nu la djan. bajra klama fo le zarci cu rinka zo'e poi se lumci mi
> > [the event (John run-go with-route the store)] cause (something 
> > such-that is-cleaned by-me)
> 
>   Shouldn't this end in something like "rinka zo'e poi te lumci fi mi"?
> Or perhaps "rinka zo'e poi mi lumci fi ke'a"?  Or even just "rinka le
> te lumci be fi mi"?

Yes, or {... rinka lo kalsa poi mi bilga lo nu mi nicygau ke'a},
since the original doesn't really say that I do clean it up.

BTW, the subject of the thread should be "bridi => sumti", not
"brivla => sumti". A brivla is one component of the selbri.
A selbri plus its arguments form a bridi. What is wanted here
is a way to use a full bridi as an argument for another selbri. 
One way to accomplish this directly is with quotes. Quoting the
bridi with {lu ... li'u} turns it into a sumti. Indirectly,
we can first turn the bridi into a brivla, with a cmavo from 
selma'o NU, and then turn that brivla into a sumti with a 
cmavo from selma'o LE, as Robin said. {lo nu <bridi>} is a 
sumti.

mu'o mi'e xorxes




		
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