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From: Matt Arnold <mattarn@123.net>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo nanmu poi na va
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Thanks for the help. I have one question. I thought attitudinals, such as "a'o" were meta-linguistic, in other words interjections that are the equivalent of "ouch" or "wow" or chat-room smilies. But if what you've said is correct, "a'o" can actually subsitute for the content word "pacna," which seems like a very bad idea. I want to say "I wish for the event of him leaving." This is a statement about me. If I say "a'o ri cliva," what I'm saying is "I am full of hope when I say: he DOES leave." A statement about him. But it's not true. I dont' know if he's leaving.
-Matt


lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote:
>
>--- Matt Arnold wrote:
>
>> va lo serti ca prulamdei
>
>I think you mean {ca lo prulamdei}.
>
>{va lo serti} can be interpreted in three ways:
>
>(1) Over there by the stairs.
>(2) Some distance away from the stairs.
>(3) At the end of the stairs. 
>
>The first one, where {va X} means "over there at X", is
>backed up in part by the ma'oste, but otherwise obsolete.
>The second one, where {va X} means "some distance away
>from reference point X", is backed up by CLL.
>The third one, where {va X} means "some distance X from
>the reference point", is what makes most sense to me.
>My guess is you meant (1), but (3) sort of works, so 
>that's fine for me.
>
>There are other simple ways to express (1) and (2), but
>not (3). For example:
>
>lo mlatu cu sipna ne'a lo tricu ki lo serti va lo mitre be li ci
>"The cat sleeps there by the tree, three meters away from the 
>stairs."
>
>> mi viska lo nanmu poi na va
>
>After {poi} you need a full sentence. For example
>{lo nanmu poi na zvati}.
>
>> di'a ri na va ca camdei
>
>{di'a ku}, I think. Otherwise {di'a ri} means that the resumption 
>occurs at ri. Here you have {camdei} as the selbri. I think
>you mean something like {ca lo cabdei ri di'a na zvati}. 
>
>> mi pacna nu to'o va ra
>
>You need a sumti to put in the x2 of {pacna}:
>{mi pacna lo nu ri to'o zvati}, or just use {au} or {a'o}:
>{a'o ri cliva}
>
>mu'o mi'e xorxes

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