From betsemes@hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 12:39:33 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay23-dav16.bay23.hotmail.com ([64.4.22.196] helo=hotmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CtXTJ-0001mv-U3 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:39:33 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.218.132.157 by BAY23-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:38:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.218.132.157] X-Originating-Email: [betsemes@hotmail.com] X-Sender: betsemes@hotmail.com From: "Betsemes" To: "Lojban Beginners List" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Love Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:32:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2005 20:39:00.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6A67250:01C5031D] X-archive-position: 1049 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: betsemes@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners The gismu file lists the following entry: prami pam pa'i love x1 loves/feels strong affectionate devotion towards x2 (object/state) 9d 115 [also: x1 is loving towards x2, x1 is a lover of x2 (one sense), x2 is beloved by x1 (= selpa'i for reordered places)]; (cf. cinmo, xebni, nelci, djica, sinma, pluka, kurji, pendo, speni) The draft dictionary file lists this other entry among some similar ones: *affectionate (feels |), x1 loves/feels strong | devotion towards x2 (object/state) /:/ [also: x1 is loving towards x2, x1 is a lover of x2 (one sense), x2 is beloved by x1 (= selprami for reordered places)] /=/ prami (pam pa'i) Now I have a question, in both entries it's specified that x2 takes an object or a state in the first definition. The remaining ones do not specify what kind of argument it takes. So I cannot decide if I can or cannot put a person at x2. Could you clarify? Thanks.