From edward.cherlin@etssg.com Tue Jan 04 12:53:00 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.net4india.com ([202.71.129.73] helo=smtp.net4india.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Clvfn-0007Ca-Ui for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:53:00 -0800 Received: from [216.102.199.245] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by smtp.net4india.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Clvfk-0003AI-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:22:57 +0530 From: Edward Cherlin Organization: Encore Technologies To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sumti places for {farvi} Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:57:39 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <12d58c160412291037a4b7c2c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <12d58c160412291037a4b7c2c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Message-Id: <200501041257.42659.edward.cherlin@etssg.com> X-archive-position: 981 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: edward.cherlin@etssg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:37 am, you wrote: > coi rodo > > I'm working on a translation (which I'll upload for review > once I've gotten about a third of the way through) & can't > quite wrap my brain around {farvi}. The gismu list has: > > x1 develops/evolves towards/into x2 from x3 through stages x4 > > In the evolution or development of something there is a > start-point (x3), intermediate stages (x4), & an endpoint > (x2). So I'm not quite sure what role x1 plays here. x1 is the general name for the evolving entity through all its stages. We are not used to having such names covering the various stages in a moth's or butterfly's life, other than the scientific species name. But we are used to having names for people, countries, stars, and other process entities covering a wide variety of different forms. > An example {selbri} with all places filled would go far in > explaining this to me. > > ki'e fe'o mi'e .adam. Rome developed into an empire from a kingdom through a republic. Malaria parasites develop to an adult form from a larval stage through several metamorphoses in different hosts. Stars evolve to various end stages (black dwarf, or supernova with no remnant, neutron star, or black hole) from condensing Bok globules through an accretion disk and then a sequence of alternating normal and giant phases during which they primarily fuse one or more elements in the sequence hydrogen, helium, carbon, neon, silicon, and may accrete matter from a companion or lose matter in stellar winds. -- Edward Cherlin, Simputer Evangelist Encore Technologies (S) Pte. Ltd. The Village Information Society http://www.ryze.com/go/Cherlin