From betsemes@hotmail.com Tue Feb 08 04:43:25 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay23-dav9.bay23.hotmail.com ([64.4.22.189] helo=hotmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CyUiD-0004HO-KS for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:43:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:42:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.218.132.157 by BAY23-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:41:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.218.132.157] X-Originating-Email: [betsemes@hotmail.com] X-Sender: betsemes@hotmail.com From: "Betsemes" To: References: <4207D74B.1090406@gulik.co.nz> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "x" sound Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:35:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 12:42:00.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[95601C70:01C50DDB] X-archive-position: 1120 X-Approved-By: betsemes@hotmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: betsemes@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners > The "x" sound is made by putting the middle bulge of your tongue against > the back end of your hard pallate and gargling while forcing air through > your mouth. It sounds quite disgusting. I think that it's entirely > possible a native English speaker may never have heard this sound in > his/her entire life. > English is not my native language. I live in Puerto Rico and Spanish is my native tongue. In Puerto Rico, we have a sound for some words containing "r" such as "arroz" that's precisely the sound used for the Klingon "H", so for me it's just a matter of knowing whether or not Lojban "x" is the same sound as Klingon "H" and that's enough. Thanks.