From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 01 14:46:55 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1D6G8l-000167-0m for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:46:55 -0800 Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.44) id 1D6G8i-0007cm-L6 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:46:54 -0800 Received: from mail.123.net (new.e-mol.com [65.169.135.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j21MkJTd019936 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:46:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:46:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200503012246.j21MkJTd019936@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Matt Arnold Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: how to say In-Reply-To: <20050301220608.GF26980@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <200503012008.j21K8iTd007644@mole.e-mol.com> <20050301220608.GF26980@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Priority: 3 X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Robin! >Which con? Penguicon, a combination SF/Open Source Software convention in Novi, Michigan April 22-24, 2005. >I suggest something like: >ko cilre lo tadji be lo nu gunta cusku bau la lojban Attack-type-of-express has got the right kind of idea. I had {fi} to indicate x3 topic because my wordlist says {cilre} x2 place has to be {du'u}. Is {lo tadji} in the x2 place in the above? - epkat [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-archive-position: 1184 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Thanks Robin! >Which con? Penguicon, a combination SF/Open Source Software convention in Novi, Michigan April 22-24, 2005. >I suggest something like: >ko cilre lo tadji be lo nu gunta cusku bau la lojban Attack-type-of-express has got the right kind of idea. I had {fi} to indicate x3 topic because my wordlist says {cilre} x2 place has to be {du'u}. Is {lo tadji} in the x2 place in the above? - epkat lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: >On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 03:08:44PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: >> I'm making a promotional poster for a Lojban event at a science >> fiction convention, which I would like to be a bilingual >> English/Lojban poster. > >Sounds excellent! > >Which con? > >> I want to say (among other things) "learn how to swear in Lojban." > >First you'd have to define "swear". If you want insult, that's >easy, but "swear" generally means "use words that would offend the >average speaker of the language"; there is no such thing in Lojban. > >> I tried {ko cilre fi lo zu'o mabla sepi'o ma bau la lojban}. Is >> {sepi'o ma} the right way to say "how"? > >It's one way, but it's not the right way in this case, IMO. For one >thing, you want {ma kau}. For another, I'd use {ta'i} instead of >{se pi'o}. > >> Do I need to close off the abstraction at the end of the sentence >> with {kei} to avoid saying that the learning is {sepi'o ma bau la >> lojban}? > >Yes. > >I suggest something like: > >ko cilre lo tadji be lo nu gunta cusku bau la lojban > >-Robin _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com