From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 01 15:03:17 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1D6GOb-0006Zq-H7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:03:17 -0800 Received: from web41908.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.159]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D6GOZ-0005h6-4n for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:03:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 24691 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2005 23:02:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20050301230244.24689.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.126.246.155] by web41908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:02:44 PST Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: how to say "learn how to swear in Lojban" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: <200503012008.j21K8iTd007644@mole.e-mol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: --- Matt Arnold wrote: > I > want to say (among other things) "learn how to swear in Lojban." I tried {ko > cilre fi lo zu'o mabla sepi'o ma bau la lojban}. Maybe {malsku} for "swear". Know how to do something and learn how to do something are not really djuno and cilre, which are about knowing and learning facts about something. Learning how to swear is not the same thing as learning facts about how to swear. You can learn a lot of facts about how to ride a bicycle, but that doesn't mean you know how to ride one. "Knowing how" is more like {kakne}. You could say: {ko kakne lo nu malsku bau la lojban}, which does not exactly say "learn" but it has the same effect: "Be able to swear in lojban!". "Learn" would be more like {ka'erbi'o}, "become able", but in this case I think {kakne} would suffice, how else could you be able if not by becoming able? [...] Content analysis details: (-1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 1.6 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-archive-position: 1186 X-Approved-By: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners --- Matt Arnold wrote: > I > want to say (among other things) "learn how to swear in Lojban." I tried {ko > cilre fi lo zu'o mabla sepi'o ma bau la lojban}. Maybe {malsku} for "swear". Know how to do something and learn how to do something are not really djuno and cilre, which are about knowing and learning facts about something. Learning how to swear is not the same thing as learning facts about how to swear. You can learn a lot of facts about how to ride a bicycle, but that doesn't mean you know how to ride one. "Knowing how" is more like {kakne}. You could say: {ko kakne lo nu malsku bau la lojban}, which does not exactly say "learn" but it has the same effect: "Be able to swear in lojban!". "Learn" would be more like {ka'erbi'o}, "become able", but in this case I think {kakne} would suffice, how else could you be able if not by becoming able? mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250