From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 02 12:32:05 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1D6aVo-0006Ky-W7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:32:05 -0800 Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.44) id 1D6aVk-0006Km-Vj for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:32:04 -0800 Received: from mail.123.net (new.e-mol.com [65.169.135.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j22KVQTd000469 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:31:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:31:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200503022031.j22KVQTd000469@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Matt Arnold Subject: [lojban-beginners] {nu penmi} versus {le nunpenmi} In-Reply-To: <20050302194910.GI17705@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20050302194910.GI17705@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Priority: 3 X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Robin, What are the differences in usage and purpose between saying "meeting" as {le nu penmi}, and "meeting" as {le nunpenmi}? The same question applies not only to abstractors but to applications of {se}, {te}, {ve} etc. which I've seen incorporated into compound words as well. The first time I came across it a few years ago I was surprised because I thought only rafsi were used in compound words. Under what circumstances would one just add a tag to a word or coin them into a compound word? -epkat [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-archive-position: 1191 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Robin, What are the differences in usage and purpose between saying "meeting" as {le nu penmi}, and "meeting" as {le nunpenmi}? The same question applies not only to abstractors but to applications of {se}, {te}, {ve} etc. which I've seen incorporated into compound words as well. The first time I came across it a few years ago I was surprised because I thought only rafsi were used in compound words. Under what circumstances would one just add a tag to a word or coin them into a compound word? -epkat lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: >On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 08:07:42AM -0600, Scott Weller wrote: >> Matt Arnold wrote: >> Isn't it more of an abbreviation of "(If you come to this event >> you will) learn how to swear in Lojban"? > >You could view it that way, but as an advertisement it is also >saying that it wants people to do so. > >> Of course, I have *no* suggestion for how to express this in >> Lojban, so maybe I should just shut up . > >That's because Causals Are Hard. Or at least hard to get used to. > >Something like: > >lo nu do vitke le nunpenmi cu rinka lo nu do binxo co kakne lo nu >malcku bau la .lojban. > >As an aside, ka'erbi'o should probably be in jbovlaste, but I have >no idea how to gloss it in to English. > >-Robin > >-- >http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" >Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com