From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 10 09:54:01 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1D9RrE-0007MM-Vf for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:54:00 -0800 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D9RrC-0007MH-Ur for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:54:00 -0800 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so935722rne for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:53:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=T9WcVtH+6EFZpbEaxIeuUFQLgI/0FFswWqQPLOwmedsu5uYE51NW4puOZQrjGpaDpsTLeDqB34ki+9k55RDw0RvjcCh2qUivjmwwIEta5ZvmPA6IiQu2NkFPlqSyBuixP1n0zyKiN+J4Oh60bFQz3cLwDNZoLH7bN+lMB2OKPcg= Received: by 10.38.89.36 with SMTP id m36mr2070838rnb; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.208.61 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:53:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <537d06d005031009534bfb9f0d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:53:57 +0100 From: Philip Newton To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Mr. Data In-Reply-To: <200503101733.j2AHXTTd005951@mole.e-mol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <20050310164648.65243.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> <200503101733.j2AHXTTd005951@mole.e-mol.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:33:29 -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > If I wish to refer to Mr. Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation, would I > be able to say {la datni} since {datni} is Lojban for data, or would I have to > say {la deitas.}? Or is this purely a matter of style and preference? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-archive-position: 1216 X-Approved-By: philip.newton@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:33:29 -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > If I wish to refer to Mr. Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation, would I > be able to say {la datni} since {datni} is Lojban for data, or would I have to > say {la deitas.}? Or is this purely a matter of style and preference? If I wanted to refer to the man Israelis call Binyamin Netanyahu, would I be able to say "Mr. Son-of-the-right-hand God-has-given", since that is the translation of those words, or would I have to say "Mr. Benjamin Netanyaho"? Or is this purely a matter of style and preference? I think you'll find that the answers are similar. Names are names. Sometimes it makes sense to translate them; often, it doesn't. IMO. mu'o mi'e .filip. -- Philip Newton P.S. Kudos to Mark Rosenfelder for the example.