From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 16 12:26:23 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DBf5z-0001wo-3J for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:26:23 -0800 Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DBf5m-0001vp-Ro for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:26:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 89479 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2005 20:25:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050316202539.89477.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:25:39 PST Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nu fanva zoi gy. I pledge allegiance... .gy To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1266 X-Approved-By: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners --- Adam COOPER wrote: > I think I get it. But can you proffer an example of a {nupre} usage > that *doesn't* need {ca'e}? Any example not in the first person, or not in the present tense will do: mi pu nupre lo nu mi klama I promised I would come. By saying that, I am not making a promise, just reporting that I made a promise at some point in the past. la djan ca nupre lo nu klama John is promising that he will come. By saying that, I am not making a promise, just reporting that John is making a promise. One could contrive a first person present example where one says {mi nupre} to report that one is promising something rather than to actually promise something. For example, I'm speaking on the phone with John and someone next to me asks me what I'm doing, then I respond {mi ca nupre lo nu klama kei la djan}, "I'm promising John that I will come". By saying that I am not making a promise, just reporting that I'm making one. > > > What actually happens is that I pledge allegiance, I actually forfeit > > > lands, & then later I break my pledge. > > > > Do you then get your lands back? > > The lands I forfeit in country B are gone. The lands I hold onto in > country A by pledging allegiance to the king I retain, despite the > later breakage. Pretty good deal. As long as the lands in A are worth more than the ones in B, yes. It would be better to sell most of the lands in B before forfeiting them, that way you get to keep their worth if not the lands themselves. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/