From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 26 11:05:17 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DFGaz-00033J-Mf for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:05:17 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DFGax-00032x-Mk for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:05:17 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so948950wri for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:04:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MiArTlUbVJPsM0YjSpodbUz47lbYMQKcyyp4Bt/jS1ESR4mCrRBbUClHt0PcRydXfdPSvcdN0xMDvShb/UuAMKYCGaCnGG8FA3FPUnSisGaQ0ksfFw5V9drlt4wR1FSZ6RnbuCjxB1Penz5b8rHQHU5GjtQUAFbSt6qs8yFCSFY= Received: by 10.54.4.8 with SMTP id 8mr1109750wrd; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.48.33 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:04:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <42f6d94805032611046eb8cf03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:04:44 -0800 From: jake To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: z and s In-Reply-To: <424506C8.3070305@calpoly.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <424506C8.3070305@calpoly.edu> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1333 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jace42@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners This helps a lot. On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:52:56 -0800, Brandon Wirick wrote: > It seems like people are getting hung up on the concepts of voiced and > unvoiced consonants. It's a pretty simple concept: with voiced > consonants, your vocal chords move and make noise; with unvoiced > consonants, they don't. In English, voice accounts for all the > significant difference between 's' and 'z', 'p' and 'b', 't' and 'd', > 'k' and hard 'g', 'ch' and 'j', etc. Hope that helps. > > .uairyk.