From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 26 23:57:18 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 00:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DFSe6-0006oD-1y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:57:18 -0800 Received: from [66.70.67.10] (helo=epmail2.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DFSe2-0006nv-9n for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:57:18 -0800 Received: from shindra.com ([217.157.231.11]) by epmail2.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:48:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 9:57:15 +0200 To: From: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: interrelated vocab word length Re: Re: Hello list [introduction] Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2005 07:48:41.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[64FB4740:01C532A1] X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-archive-position: 1337 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: lojban@shindra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners [ Moderator's Note: What could or could not work, or even how a conlang ought to work are beyond the scope of this mailing list. Any further traffic in this thread needs to be sent to the main mailing list. Thanks. ] Ah. Well I see absolutely no reason why an interrelated vocab shouldn't be able to have this feature, as long as there are enough possible root words, which there seems to be. The hardest part might be to make the distinction between words in an elegant way. One might end all words in 'n', which isn't very elegant, but fast and easy and most people should be able to pronounce it from what I've read so far. Or one might have a class of suffixes that always end a word. Or one could combine the two, so, say, half the words would have grammatical suffixes at the end, and those that didn't would end in n. Then Litten Brown Foxn Jumpen Overn Then Fencen... Ten Liten Bon Fon Jupen Oven Ten Fecen, ton junin lakon berulikon hejelin gesatun hen gerotin... - Shindra = = = Original message = = = A Lojban speech stream, with emphasis and a few required pauses, can only be decoded in to words in one way. No natural language, that I am aware of, has this feature. No homonyms, nor groups of words that can be interpreted different ways. A famous English example being "ice cream" versus "I scream". -Robin On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 10:01:28PM +0100, lojban@shindra.com wrote: > er... uhm... what does 'unambiguous morphology' mean? > > = = = Original message = = = > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 08:26:29AM +0100, lojban@shindra.com wrote: > > I don't think words would get too long if one just used > > single-syllable root words. That would yield more than 250 root > > words with the same letters and VV-diphthongs Lojban uses. > > But would it preserve the unambiguous morphology? I doubt it very > much. > > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/