From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 08 14:22:50 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dg80g-000097-PF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:22:50 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dg80e-00008x-32 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:22:50 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so47864wra for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:22:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Mt3iHJpfh6RJbzTfsNkiKubtC6uXj5UXLC70ZD04rXCRpX62CITkKqUbZlIjPsI4+pP7XOA6fYVrK/IBNJg8erxpsaWFGnm9Y1gN9gWimF4/hJWcSTjcN7C7vquYFh+7vHw/okU6pa4+0G4AefmWBpSEoYZum4wH+vJiuA3+1z4= Received: by 10.54.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr4798230wrb; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560506081422399a5088@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:22:47 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zvati In-Reply-To: <20050608210056.GE15659@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050608204646.GD15659@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d1756050608135842062873@mail.gmail.com> <20050608210056.GE15659@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1498 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/8/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > zvati is: > > x1 (object/event) is at/attending/present at x2 (event/location) > > Events are situated in time. In time and space, like every other spatio-temporal object. An event has a duration (which can be specified with ze'a) and a spatial extension (specifiable with ve'a). It also has a position in time (specifiable with ca) and a position in space (specifiable with bu'u). If I say {mi zvati lo nu do tavla}, that means that I am present at your talk, i.e. in the same place where your talk takes place. mu'o mi'e xorxes